Portia11 wrote:And yes, that includes Mary.
"...it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment..." Hebrews 9:27
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Posts: 704 (07/01/09 2:43 PM) Much Fondue About Nothing |
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Posts: 2119 (07/01/09 3:12 PM) Catholic sprout |
Loose Nut wrote: What led you to that conclusion? and for your info Jesus is not still on the cross We know that. we never come to the kingdom of Heaven but by troubles
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Posts: 2099 (07/01/09 3:21 PM) Illegal DRUG USER |
Beware for men with strange hats, I say.
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Posts: 388 (07/01/09 4:17 PM) Sapling |
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GHSTHA! Your response made me spit our my drink!Erika wrote, GHSTA..............if I would have had coffe in my mouth my keyboard would have been in trouble.Portia wrote, GHSTHA, that was too funny.I am glad that you all enjoyed it!!!  All lot of the
things that the Fundies say is so illogical that it is funny.
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Posts: 389 (07/01/09 4:21 PM) Sapling |
cheezit01 wrote:But don't Evangelicals/Fundamentalists believe in OSAS? One only has to "call upon the name of the Lord and he/she will be 'saved.'" If you guys believe this then you must admit that you won't have to stand before God in Judgment. OSAS is nothing more than a "get out of judgment free card."
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Posts: 71 (07/01/09 5:11 PM) |
Now pray tell ;what is this?
Just who are they praying to, if not to a statue or icon of Mary? Loose Nut |
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Posts: 705 (07/01/09 5:26 PM) Much Fondue About Nothing |
GHSTHA wrote:Some do. Some don't. It's immaterial. OSAS is not, in and of itself, a salvation issue. One only has to "call upon the name of the Lord and he/she will be 'saved.'" If you guys believe this then you must admit that you won't have to stand before God in Judgment. OSAS is nothing more than a "get out of judgment free card."You know something? You'd be a lot better off if you just kept your mouth shut when you don't know what you are talking about. That way, at least there would be a question. As it is, you decided on instead on opening it and spouting off nonsense which removes all doubt and proves you don't know squat. Pay attention here. There is the Judgement Seat of Christ which is for saved believers and entails receiving rewards earned after they are saved. There is the Great White Throne Judgement which is where all unsaved are resurrected, judged and thrown into the lake of fire forever. |
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Posts: 1514 (07/01/09 5:47 PM) Saint Thomas Aquinas |
Now pray tell ;what is this?How does this picture differ from Scripture? Matt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: |
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Posts: 72 (07/01/09 6:10 PM) |
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Deut 4:15-18
Now is that not the likeness of something, and the Roman Catholic church teach;es that it is OK to do that, so it is not biblical and what GOD commanded man
not to do!
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Posts: 1860 (07/01/09 6:53 PM) Mod Squad
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Exodus 25:18 - 22 Thou shalt make also two cherubims of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle. 19 Let one cherub be on the one side, and the other on the
other. 20 Let them cover both sides of the propitiatory, spreading their wings, and covering the oracle, and let them look one towards the other, their faces
being turned towards the propitiatory wherewith the ark is to be covered. 21 In which thou shalt put the testimony that I will give thee. 22 Thence will I give
orders, and will speak to thee over the propitiatory, and from the midst of the two cherubims, which shall be upon the ark of the testimony, all things which I
will command the children of Israel by thee.
Exodus 26: 1 And thou shalt make the tabernacle in this manner: 31 Thou shalt make also a veil of violet and purple, and scarlet twice dyed, and fine twisted linen, wrought with embroidered work, and goodly variety: Numbers 21: 8 And the Lord said to him: Make brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: whosoever being struck shall look on it, shall live. 9 Moses therefore made a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed. 1 Kings 6: 23 - 29 And he made in the oracle two cherubims of olive tree, of ten cubits in height. 24 One wing of the cherub was five cubits, and the other wing of the cherub was five cubits: that is, in all ten cubits, from the extremity of one wing to the extremity of the other wing. 25 The second cherub also was ten cubits: and the measure, and the work was the same in both the cherubims: 26 That is to say, one cherub was ten cubits high, and in like manner the other cherub. 27 And he set the cherubims in the midst of the inner temple: and the cherubims stretched forth their wings, and the wing of the one touched one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall: and the other wings in the midst of the temple touched one another. 28 And he overlaid the cherubims with gold. 29 And all the walls of the temple round about he carved with divers figures and carvings: and he made in them cherubims and palm trees, and divers representations, as it were standing out, and coming forth from the wall. 1 Kings 6: 35 And he carved cherubims, and palm trees, and carved work standing very much out: and he overlaid all with golden plates in square work by rule. 1 Kings 7:29 And between the little crowns and the ledges were lions, and oxen, and cherubims: and in the joinings likewise above: and under the lions and oxen, as it were bands of brass hanging down. 2 Kings 13:20: And Elisha died, and they buried him. And the bands of the Moabites invaded the land at the coming in of the year. 21: And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet. Acts 5:15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that when Peter came, his shadow at the least, might overshadow any of them, and they might be delivered from their infirmities. |
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Posts: 1516 (07/01/09 6:55 PM) Saint Thomas Aquinas |
Loose Nut,
I know it is only a picture, but the picture can illustrate something such as the baby on Mary's lap is God and is to be worship as the wise man did in Scripture. Matt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: Perhaps you don't believe that the baby is God, either in the picture or in Scripture. Or perhaps you think that the angels and the wise man are also worshiping Mary, which is clearly not the case and would just make you look foolish. |
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Posts: 1518 (07/01/09 7:47 PM) Saint Thomas Aquinas |
Garee,
If you would read a little farther in St. Faustina's dairy, Jesus told her: "Not in the beauty of the color, nor of the brush lies the greatness of this image, but in MY grace" (Diary, 313). The message of Divine Mercy is not a new message or a new revelation but it is the very heart and essence of Revelation. For Christ Himself gives us the command; "be merciful, just as your Father is merciful" (Luke 6:36) And why do you have a hard time trusting in Jesus? After all, the words recorded by St. Faustina "Jesus I trust in you!" seem to offend you greatly. |
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Posts: 74 (07/01/09 7:51 PM) |
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Loose Nut, That does not change GOD'S commandment That is another of Satan's deceptions, and Roman Catholics fall for it! It is an image and that id all it is, it is not GOD or Jesus, just an image. When you bow down to it it is idolatry, and that is forbade by GOD~ Loose Nut
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Posts: 1519 (07/01/09 8:04 PM) Saint Thomas Aquinas |
Loose Nut,
We're not worshiping the picture itself, we are worshipping who the picture represents......Jesus, who btw is God. We use statues and other images to call to mind the holy people they represent: Jesus, the angels, Mary, and the saints. For the same reason Protestants use the Christmas nativity scenes to depict the same people. We simply use images in devotions all year long. The images are just simply a reminder for us. God bless |
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We're not worshiping the picture itself, we are worshipping who the picture represents......Jesus, The picture and the command to get under the authority of idol worship represents a new revelation from the mouth of God that has never been revealed before this time and season, it violates the commandment given by the last and final new revelation given before our living God sealed up His book of the law.
For some reason or other it seems that the term "any man" does not apply to those that claim they are still receiving new revelations that are not required to be believed, but are required to continue to violate the warnings given throughout scripture regarding prophecy that comes from the mouth of the creature and not words from the Creator.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.Rev 22:18
And why do you have a hard time trusting in Jesus? After all, the words recorded by St. Faustina "Jesus I trust in you!" seem to offend you greatly. I have no problem trusting jesus but do trusting another gospel other than the one that was given in all its entierty as the word of God The one you trust in does sem to offend me, only because the source where they come from, offends the commandment in Revelations which seems to offend you, as do the other ones.
The question is will you get under the authority of the word of God or will you trust in the authority of Faustina's mouth as a higher authority than the word that came from the mouth of Christ"? Here again we see the the commandment which points to any man, does it include men of your sect??
And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mar 13:21 |
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Posts: 706 (07/02/09 4:00 AM) Much Fondue About Nothing |
thomas1957 wrote:The problem with the posted picture is that it has Jesus as a little baby boy with red curly hair and Mary as the adult white woman. So you are admitting that you worship who the picture represents...A white woman and a red headed baby surrounded by "angels". We use statues and other images to call to mind the holy people they represent: Jesus, the angels, Mary, and the saints.If the Holy Spirit resided in your heart, you wouldn't need to be "reminded" of Him by using some ridiculous statue. For the same reason Protestants use the Christmas nativity scenes to depict the same people. We simply use images in devotions all year long. The images are just simply a reminder for us.The difference is that "protestants" don't gather around the nativity scene and bow down and pray to it. And what is it with needing all these "reminders"? Do all Catholics have some sort of brain disfunction or something...can't remember anything without a "reminder"? |
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Posts: 1521 (07/02/09 3:23 PM) Saint Thomas Aquinas |
And what is it with needing all these "reminders"? Do all Catholics have some sort of brain disfunction or something...can't remember anything without a "reminder"?Do you have any family photos? Do you have any that are on your desk or perhaps hanging on a wall? |
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Posts: 87 (07/02/09 5:00 PM) |
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Where do you get worship out of that? Are you saying that you don't have any family photos? Do you bow down to them if you do? Loose Nut |
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Posts: 1315 (07/02/09 5:27 PM) I would rather spend my time with 100 cats than with 100 humans. |
Aren't they doing the same for Michael Jackson?
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