cheezit01 wrote:
Had2 wrote:
Maybe he thinks if he keeps telling the same lie often enough someone might believe him????
What's the problem?  Catholics do that all the time.  Mary sinless.  Mary remained a virgin all her life.  Mary never died.  Mary co-redemptrix.  Mary this.  Mary that. 

If, as you say, the "official documents" of the Catholic church are the Catechism and the Doctrine of Faith and "that's it that's all", then how can you quote *any* writing of an ECF as if they held any weight unless those writings can be found in the "official documents"?
Amen..

Just have to love those official, sacred documents of sinful, highly venerable men.(all men are sinners and therefore liars) It's why we venerate/worship God alone as, one God, one Father not many gods, as many fathers(efc's).

Again, exactly the "official documents" of the Catholic church make up the various laws of  "law of the fathers" (plural) Therefore making the Christian's official document written in the book of the law, the Bible of our one Father in heaven, to no effect. This helps us under to understand why we are to call no sinful men... Holy Fathers on earth, for one is our true Holy Father/Papa in heaven.

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for "one" is your Father, which is in heaven.

Therefore no man can serve two masters, as one Lord.

When looking at the different kinds of laws as commandments of men that come after the "law of the fathers" (efc's) as those who persecuted Christians to death (Acts22:2-3) as a result of walking by sight. And thought it was natural, because they were walking by sight to kill off the what they thought was the competition in regard to the outward flesh of other men. Because somehow or other thier own venerated flesh was the higher authority.

I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.Acts22:2-3

The law of the fathers shows them under that kind of law looking to the official doctrines as letters written by the highly venerable ones. And the same pattern is seen during the fitfhteenth century reformation as official letters that came with a promise from their Holy Father, the Pope(the Highest venerated Preist).... to those who would bring back the Christians bound to also be delivered over to death by fire. Because those who work according to official documents would have less time to pay for their own sin in Purgatory. That law of the fathers worked making laws through the oral tradition of men  like the indulgence  ($$$) needed  to get out of purgatory free, as a reward for their work, also .

Official letters as documents is the nature of the law of the fathers.Which Christ rebuked on every occasion by His authority, as it is written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura)The Christian's officail document according to one Father(in heaven)

Acts 9 9 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

Note....And desired of him letters...  "official documents" of the Catholic church, of the sacred kind.