Had2 wrote:
garee you are the one who is obssesed with what you say Catholics must follow the Law of the Early Church Fathers yet YOU CANNOT PROVIDE IT TO US.


You wrote -We do not glory in the flesh of men according to “law of the fathers”, as if our suffering could aid our Holy Father in heaven, finished work.(not a down payment)


Please provide the "law of the fathers" you are referring to?


Did you mean the ones where they talk out of both sides of their mouths (cannot be earned but do reduce the "eternal" wage) by making it temporal, as in no one knows how long one must suffer in another place of mediation other than Calvary, called "fiery Purgatory" and therefore no one really cares, as long as it is not "eternal" in nature. The one real eternal wage of any sin?. 

James 2:10

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet "offend" in one point, he is guilty of all.




Catholic Teaching....Redemptive Suffering

A Summary:
Redemptive suffering is the belief that human suffering, when accepted and offered up in union with the Passion of Jesus, can remit the "just punishment" for one's sins or for the sins of another. Like an indulgence($$$$), redemptive suffering does not gain the individual forgiveness for their sin; forgiveness results from God’s grace, freely given through Christ, which cannot be earned. After one's sins are forgiven, the individual's suffering can reduce the penalty due for sin.  http://www.thedefender.org/RedemptiveSuffering.html