Garee wrote.
Yes that is correct, but any private revelation/interpretation period.And not just after Reveltions 22. Before or after is the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against..No scripture is of any private revelation as an interpretation loosed of God from heaven .Scripture is clear, as it teaches us we are to abide in Him. The one promised teacher, comforter and guide
Or, in other words, one is our master,
(and His word is in the Bible).

for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are brethren.

Matthew 23:8

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in My name,
He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 14:21

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof,
for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect,
thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Timothy 3:16-17


Had2 wrote
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.


So why do you believe in the man made belief of the Rapture?
Because God speaks of it in His word,
therefore some men believe in it.
And I was rapt when He selected me for His kingdom, so I believe in it,
but I also know, it is not as some men think it will be.

And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God,
ye, and your sons, and your daughters,
and your menservants, and your maidservants,
and the Levite that is within your gates;
forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.

Deuteronomy 12:12


Garee again.
Because its not man made. 

John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
`Paul's last day occurred in 2004.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: 
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:6


Midgie wrote.
Paul, it is YOU who comes here to this board to gripe, complain, and misjudge Catholics!
I offer them wafers from the Bible, for their correction.
I am indeed incensed by what Catholics preach,
and how they be towards the believers in the word.

But if they had stood in God's counsel,
and had caused His people to hear His words,
then they should have turned them from their evil way,
and from the evil of their doings.

Jeremiah 23:22

You once again see in me the very thing you are guilty of doing yourself.
I see that you are in the Catholic Church,
and I am not guilty of that.

Because your fathers have forsaken Me, saith the LORD,
and have walked after other gods,
and have served them, and have worshipped them,
and have forsaken Me, and have not kept My law;

Jeremiah 16:13

Garee does not believe God is revealing anything to anybody anymore as if God stopped speaking completely to men after the compilation of the Bible.
The "as if" part is simply your addition to what Garee says.

That the Lord doesn't reveal anything He has not already revealed to His prophets,
does not mean He isn't speaking to anyone any more.

It simply means He already revealed everything, in the Bible.
Even the Prophets, and the New Testament, are just a rewording, and teaching,
what the Lord commanded by Moses. 

for all things that I have heard of My Father 
I have made known unto you.

John 15:15

That's a LIE from the pit of hell, so don't encourage such nonsense!
You are the one that added the lie.

Garee said the first part, but you presumed the evil part (which you now claim is from the pit of hell).
Why do you always see death, and presume the worst first?

Verily, verily, I say unto you,
If a human keep My saying, she shall never see death.
John 8:51

God has made His Mystery known through supernatural revelation to multitudes throughout Christianity, which is Christ IN US, the Hope of Glory!
Then you know, if He revealed it to you, that it is written.

And Moses verily was faithful in all His house, as a servant,
for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;

Hebrews 3:5

Garee has obviously never experienced the supernatural revelation of God, so he simply denies the Truth of it!
But you say something derogatory about anybody 
who doesn't just receive the word of Catholicism, and eat whatever you offer up,
but dare to speak against it, 
and show you what God rather said, in your holy book.

For I say unto you,
Ye shall not see Me henceforth,
till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 23:39

You would like people to believe you are blessed of the Lord,
but unless they come in the name of Catholicism,
you condemn even them who are blessed of the Lord.


Had2 wrote.

Mathew 24:35-36 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Jesus Christ.
Every eye has seen Him.

But I said unto you,
That ye also have seen Me, and believe not.

John 6:36

Many still do not know what day or hour that was.

Rapture doctrine did not exist before it "popped" into John Darby's head in 1830 AD. If you believe in the Rapture, you probably wrongly assumed it was a historic Bible doctrine, when in fact it was born in the era of the cults (1830-1880 AD).
God mentioned the rapture, in His law of course.

If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, 
from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, 
and from thence will He fetch thee:
And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, 
and thou shalt possess it; 
and He will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Deuteronomy 30:4-5

All the prophets, and Jesus, and the apostles, speak of it.
But for those that have forsaken His word as being no more than a dangerous deceit (Sola Scriptura to anyone who eats it)
the rapture doesn't exist.
There is no Joy for them in the Glorious kingdom.

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This is the lie.

But that's not what God's word says the rapture will be like, does it?

This is this rapture, in His word:
That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity,
and have compassion upon thee,
and will return and gather thee from all the nations,
whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

Deuteronomy 30:3

For thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold, I, even I, will both search My sheep, and seek them out.
... and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

Ezekiel 34:11-12

No Church shall hold them in that day.

In Christianity in America, C. Norman Kraus writes, "Dispensationalism is a system of scriptural interpretation which was first developed in Plymouth Brethren circles in England and Ireland in the 1830s and spread to North America beginning in the 1850s. John Nelson Darby was the most seminal thinker in formulating the system. Almost all the distinctive doctrines of present-day Dispensationalism can be traced to his writings. In America the system appeared in its classic form in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible (1909) which has had wide influence, especially among fundamentalists.

But what does the Lord say?

I like this next aspect of God's rapture.

And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies,
and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.

Deuteronomy 30:7


Garee again.
The Rapture will be on the last day according to John 11.
There were some in Jesus' day, who saw their last day.

But I tell you of a truth,
there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death,
till they see the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:27

And obviously, the prophets were raptured even before then,
that they became prophets, and had the knowledge of the kingdom.
And the day or hour no man knows.
Before judgment examine thyself,
and in the day of visitation thou shalt find mercy.

Sirach 18:20

Blessed are those servants,
whom the lord when He cometh shall find watching:
verily I say unto you,
that He shall gird Himself, and make them to sit down to meat,
and will come forth and serve them.

Luke 12:37

(That is a description of the Rapture from the New Testament.)

We just know miraculously, infallibly as God reveals it from heaven the rapture will occor on the last day, called ressurection day, or the day of the Christ, the one ressurector of spirit life.
Don't think it will be like the picture says, that Had2 showed.
That is a lie.

Not everyone gets raptured at once.
How could we, when His people live in all different times in history.

Ye shall not see Me,
until the time come when ye shall say, 
Blessed
 is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Luke 13:35

His word is Spirit and is life.
But rather than eat that,
eat Garee's words, that he offers up?

Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you:
they make you vain:
they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:16

The flesh which some call the "Real Presence" ,profits nothing, nada, zip.
The flesh is meat.

The life is more than meat,
and the body is more than raiment.

Luke 12:23

 John 11:24  Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Jesus said unto her,
I am the resurrection, and the life:
he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die.
Believest thou this?

John 11:25-26

You're prooftexting the Scriptures again to prove a point, Garee, and you've missed the point Jesus made to Martha!
Offering up a wafer = prooftexting, to you?

And one should only do it when justifying the word of their Church,
if we go by your example.

Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations,
and declare it in the isles afar off,
and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him,
and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

Jeremiah 31:10

(Another reference to the Rapture. The Lord will gather them.)
" Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:  And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" ~ John 11: 25-26
Because those that believe do His word,
since they believe in Him, and He says to do it.

And they would not espouse the doctrines of a Church, like men tell us to,
lest they die.

Jesus answered and said unto him,
If a man love Me, he will keep My words:
and My Father will love him,
and We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.

John 14:23

Believest thou this, Garee?
For all your condemnations, Garee is still standing in the word,
and in belief of Jesus.
Have to at least give him credit for that.

Above all, taking the shield of faith,
wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:16

 If you do, then why have you let Dispensationalism influence you're thinking while totally denying any possibility that the Catholic Church's teaching on the Communion of Saints is correct?
You will only ever be pleased with them who dispense Catholicism.
Isn't it?

And I only dispense the Lord's flesh.

If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God
which is given me to youward:
Ephesians 2:3

Whereof I am made a minister,
according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you,
to fulfil the word of God;

Colossians 1:25


Garee.
Comparing the spiritual words of Christ to the spiritual is not proof exting. Its one of the many necessary prescribed ways God has given us to study to seek after His approval. 
God's word is the bread of heaven.
It is available in the holy Bible.

I am the living bread which came down from heaven:
if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:
and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:51

After all we know Him after His Spirit (the real presence of God) not after the flesh of the ecf's according to the law of the fathers.
I think you have a spirit to call His laws ceremonial,
in order that you know another law,
don't you?

And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him,
and He in him.
And hereby we know that He abideth in us,
by the Spirit which He hath given us.

1 John 3:24

That would be turning things upside down, as if our Father in heaven had no understanding to offer us, in whom He is forming, according to His likeness.
For the LORD giveth wisdom:
out of His mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Proverbs 2:6

Turn you at My reproof:
behold, I will pour out My spirit unto you,
I will make known My words unto you.

Proverbs 1:23

And not the likeness of sinful flesh as that which scripture refers to as the law of the fathers.(man's wisdom)
St Paul called it "the law of faith", and "the law of sin",
when he was warning us against adopting it.

So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 7:25

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teachethbut which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 213-14
My tongue shall speak of Thy word:
for all Thy commandments are righteousness.

Psalm 119:172

And of course I believe that teaching(John 11: 25-26) that confirms OSAS.
But ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance,
which the LORD your God giveth you.
Deuteronomy 12:8

Since you spoke of it as yet to come.
And who told you I was a Dispensationalist, Had2?
It is the Christian way, to presume evil and guilt, and to accuse them,
when people don't eat their flesh.

It is the devil who tells them these false "truths", and to condemn their brethren,
and they won't get to see Jesus again.

For I say unto you,
Ye shall not see Me henceforth,
till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 23:39

They were blessed, for they come in the name of the Lord,
but they won't bless the others who come in His name,
except if they also declare the name of their Church, and are teaching what their Church teaches.

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?
do not even the publicans so?

Matthew 5:47

I lean more towards the thread called THE THOUSAND YEAR REIGN.
And will you be calling His commandments "weak and ceremonial" for the whole thousand years?

He is God, the faithful God,
which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love Him
and keep His commandments to a thousand generations;

Deuteronomy 7:9

with the exception of your comment that we are to seek after necromancy, as if the saints that are reigning with Christ are invisible spirit entities that some worship (enquiring of worker as an invisible entity is the highest form of worship) it reserved for our Father in heaven alone.
If you want to reprove the Catholics,
see if you can speak to them in a way they can understand.

I have seen you condemn them with this condemnation, repeating it often,
but what ever they do, they don't perceive it as being necromancy, obviously.

So you need to word your rebuke better, in a way they can understand the error of their way.
Maybe even offer up what the Lord says they ought rather be doing.
(Too bad they call it Sola Scriptura, that they not do what the Lord said.)

But He said,
Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Luke 11:28

It’s the saint on earth that do reign with Christ from heaven .
And they are rapt,
to be the one's offering up His flesh.

To execute upon them the judgment written:
this honour have all His saints.
Praise ye the LORD.

Psalm 149:9

To execute judgment upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them
of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches
which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
Jude 1:15

Its why we are called ambassadors for Christ and not them that are sleeping, waiting for the last day(the rapture) when those souls that are in heaven sleeping will be awaked at the sound of Christ’s voice the last trump and those who do remain(awake) reigning with Christ on earth will be caught up(raptured) in the air and together in the twinkling of an eye both will receive their new incorruptible bodies and therefore live forever in the new
Don't be left.

Then shall two be in the field;
the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Matthew 24:40


Had2 reporting a problem.
garee wrote-Comparing the spiritual words of Christ to the spiritual is not proof exting.

The problem is garee you are not comparing you are twisiting the words of Christ to fit your own ideology. 
If you keep Jesus' saying, you won't see a problem.
(Isn't that good news?)

But you won't keep Jesus' saying,
because the Church says, that would make you a Sola Scripturist,
and you keep the Church's saying.

Verily, verily, I say unto you,
If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death.

John 8:51

You also wrote-Its one of the many necessary prescribed ways God has given us to study to seek after His approval.

So really you are saying you believe you have already obtained God's approval.
Garee spoke of the rapture as yet to come.

So really,
Garee confessed he has yet to see God, to get His approval.

And what will ye do in the day of visitation,
and in the desolation which shall come from far?
to whom will ye flee for help?
and where will ye leave your glory?

Isaiah 10:3

For who may abide the day of His coming?
and who shall stand when He appeareth?
for He is like a refiner's fire,
and like fullers' soap:
And He shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver:
and He shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver,
that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Malachi 3:2-3
Geesh must be nice to think God will respect your opinion since you keep on saying God is no respecter of men.
Christians preach in the name of Christianity,
and Catholics in the name of Catholicism.

Christians offer up the flesh of their faith,
and Catholics the flesh of Catholicism.

But in vain they do worship Me,
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 15:9

This is why what Jesus said is so easily and quickly forgotten.

Many will say to Me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name?
and in Thy name have cast out devils?
and in Thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 7:22-23


Midgie wrote.
There is only ONE Body of Christ, Garee!
The many claim they are it, so better believe them.
The Catholics claim their Church is it, so better believe them.

And they will not offer you His flesh.

For many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:5


Had2 wrote
And who told you I was a Dispensationalist, Had2? 

UH Duh! You are the one who told us you still fellowship with the PB church?
And why do you Catholics not dispense God's words?

For they whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto them.

John 3:34

In Christianity in America, C. Norman Kraus writes, "Dispensationalism is a system of scriptural interpretation which was first developed in Plymouth Brethren circles in England and Ireland in the 1830s and spread to North America beginning in the 1850s. John Nelson Darby was the most seminal thinker in formulating the system. Almost all the distinctive doctrines of present-day Dispensationalism can be traced to his writings. In America the system appeared in its classic form in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible (1909) which has had wide influence, especially among fundamentalists.
Happy to dispense the flesh of C. Norman Kraus, though.

Is Kraus your Saviour, that you offer up his flesh?

And thou shalt speak My words unto them,
whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear:
for they are most rebellious.

Ezekiel 2:7


Midgie again

Garee, I don't believe you are a Dispensationalist but I do think you've been influenced by it's teaching in the PB where you got your basic understanding of the Bible from.
And of course,
you do not let yourself be influenced by your Church.

You would never dispense Catholicism, would you?

But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee;
Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house:
open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.

Ezekiel 2:8


Had2 again

The thing is how many kinds of dispensationalists are there and do they all have a different interpretation of what the word means?
And how few there be,
that dispense the Lord's flesh, as He said to.

I will also send wild beasts among you,
which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle,
and make you few in number;
and your high ways shall be desolate.

Leviticus 26:22

For instance some Protestant/ Evangelicals interpret the Book of Revelation not as an account of past events like the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions,
do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

2 Timothy 4:5

The preservation or destruction of Jerusalem is wholly up to you.

Do good in Thy good pleasure unto Zion: 
build Thou the walls of Jerusalem.

Psalm 51:18

Praise the Lord Heart Throb
Hallow His sabbaths
`Paul

But if ye will not hearken unto Me to hallow the sabbath day, 
and not to bear a burden, 
even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; 
then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, 
and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem
and it shall not be quenched.
Jeremiah 17:27

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem
which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; 
how often would I have gathered thy children together, 
as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, 
and ye would not!
Luke 13:34

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