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The title of this treatise is John 3:17, but we will not begin this discussion with that verse. 
Was that because I offered a reproof,
which pointed out how you always begin your offerings with an idol,
rather than with a truth from God?

The reason we will do that is because many BLIND CHRISTIANS are attempting to read the SEALED BOOK and they are erring because they cannot get past the first SEAL.
So, rather than begin with the truth you are going to teach us,
lets see what you shall offer to the blind, that is better than the word of the "sealed book".
smiley: happy
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
OK, a different verse.
The previous verse,
which speaks of the damnation of men, and why God sent the Lord to us. 

That is an excellent verse.  However those invisible fake holy spirits who lead them take them to a blind alley and a BOGUS CONCLUSION.  They tell them, “If a man does not ‘believe in Jesus and accept him as his personal savior’ he cannot be saved and no doubt he will burn in hell”!
They won't burn in hell?  
even if, like you, they don't believe in Jesus that men needed salvation?


 That conclusion is a direct contradiction to our topic scripture.
The conclusion of John 3:16, is in direct contradiction with verse at John 3:17?

I think the things you speak of,
such as fake holy spirits, blind alleys and bogus conclusions,
cannot matter if all will be saved anyway. 

But 3.16 says that all are perished,
and only those that believe might be saved.

 These blind Christians STOP right there and FAIL to factor in verse 17.

 

John 3:17.  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

What is being saved to you?

If the blind shall be saved anyway, why even bother mentioning their blindness?
If the Son does not condemn them, why do you condemn them?

Should we not do as Jesus?
and offer them the words (the commandments) that will (if they will do them) save them?

For anyone to be damned Jesus himself will have to condemn him and banish him to destruction with devils because Father gave him JUDGMENT AUTHORITY.
Many will say to Jesus.... "I was a good person, wasn't I?"
But Jesus will still banish them.
Because they never really knew Him,
and they never kept the commandments, as Jesus said to.
Preachers do not have this authority; church denominations were not given this authority, and no Pope has this authority.  Only God has this authority and He vested it in the Son.
And except we eat His flesh, and drink His blood, we shall not be saved.

God's word is Jesus' flesh, and God's meanings is the blood.

It is written that God shall judge the world.
Actually, judgment is given to the Son.

God sends the sun and the rain to the unjust, as well as to the just (Mtt 5:45),
but the Son gives life, and the kingdom, only to the righteous (Jn 5:29).

Jude 1:14. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15.  To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Father is judging the kingdom of devils only)!
The saints will judge the world.

Whosoever will believe in Jesus, and will follow Him (in keeping all God's commandments)
shall sit in twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes.

Romans 3:5.  But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6.  God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Keep the law, if you would that your righteous come from God.

John 5:22.  For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
And you just stated, just a few lines ago, "It is written that God shall judge the world."

John 5:26.  For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27.  And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 30.  I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

 

John 8:15. Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

I'm not judging you either, John.
But I do judge your angels.

How else shall we know whether to keep another's saying or not, which they are offering?

No human being will be destroyed with devils even if they reject Jesus while in this life!
All the sayings in the Bible are saying no human can be saved, except they accept Jesus' word.

And Jesus said we must keep all of God's word too. 

 Those phony holy spirits have led John 3:16 pushers to a lying conclusion against men who fail to toe the doctrine lines laid out by blind preachers.
I see, that whatever spirits you followed, leads you to conclude the direct opposite to what Jesus says in the Bible.

You started with 3:16, "that whosoever believes might not perish",
and here concluded that "No human being will be destroyed with devils even if they reject Jesus while in this life!"

NOW …. let us see John 3:17 in action in real time in Jesus’ day.
That men are perished is not through Jesus' condemning the world,
but men by their own word (their false conclusions) condemn themselves.

Luke 9:51.  And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, 52.  And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. 53.  And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54.  And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55.  But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56.  For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Jesus destroys no one, yet all men are destroyed.

Jesus only fans the flames of their destruction.
Here we see that the Samaritans in this city not only rejected Jesus and his disciples, but they refused to let them pass through it.  The disciples were offended and they wanted to burn them up … just like BLIND CHRISTIANS want to do to “sinner men” and “unbelievers”.  If any man wants to do that to his fellowman it is not God teaching and pushing that lie.  That bogus conclusion expresses the hope of devils, which is IMPOSSIBLE with God.  Judge Jesus was cognizant of both his role and purpose and he REBUKED James and John for expressing the will of devils.  Father sent him to SAVE THE LOST, not to destroy their lives.
But you concluded that no man could be lost, even if they reject Jesus.

But I say, a man is already lost, if He rejects Jesus to keep his false conclusion, that he couldn't be lost.
John 3:18

Now I tell all you hellfire and brimstone for human beings teachers, “You don’t know that devils are using you”.  Jesus is the one who EXECUTES JUDGMENT … BECAUSE HE IS THE SON OF GOD.  If Jesus judges his judgment is just because he SEEKS FATHER’S WILL!  What is Father’s will you may ask?  Here it is in plain English!
Christians will judge you evil, if you keep the law as Jesus says.
(Just try it to see.)

Men judge men who say they know God.

Matthew 18:11. For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12. How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13.  And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14. Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.  (So you hellfire for humans preachers are OVER RULED).
But Jesus also, preached everlasting punishment for the unrighteous (Mtt 25:46).

So you also overrule Jesus' word.

John 6:37.  All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Which also means, all those that belong to the fire shall not come to Jesus.

John 12:32.  And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
And many are drawn to Jesus, but few shall be chosen.

John 10:29.  My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Because these stay on the commandments.

1 Timothy 2:3.  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4.  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5.  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6.  Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
God would that all men repent, and keep His commandments.

But what are the chances of the happening?
Considering the wicked pray that they will be saved anyway, without having to repent.

And Jesus is JUST IN HIS JUDMENT (“I judge no man”) because he seeks to DO FATHER’S WILL which the preachers attempt to break.
That doesn't mean man won't be judged.

Those that don't receive Jesus, but reject His words, His words shall judge them.

They do not know they have the spirits of devils leading them to teach such lies!
A sign that they are in hell.
And that they are not saved.

 “The Father sent the Son to SAVE MEN’S LIVES …. not to destroy them”!
But they are destroyed, which is why they need the Son to be saved.

The Father’s WILL in his own Words

 

Isaiah 57:16.  For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made. 17.  For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. 18.  I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners. 19.  I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.


Those that are perished tend to leave out how we will be healed,
to promised us we shall be saved anyhow.
(Ex 15:26) & (Mtt 13:15)
Malachi 3:6.  For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. 17.  And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
The sons of Jacob keep the law.
Therefore they are not consumed.

Isaiah 45:22.  Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23.  I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
"And be saved" means we are not.
And "look to Me" means looking to the word (for the word is God),
and there we find the word contains the commandments we must keep, in order to have God save us.

Isaiah 66:18.  For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 22.  For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23.  And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
Teach how to make the Sabbath then.
Teach the commandments that they come to worship before the Lord.

1 John 4:14.  And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
And he that believes and is baptized shall be saved,
but he that believes not is damned.

John 6:38.  For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39.  And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
No man will come to Jesus, nor can believe Jesus to keep all the law, except the same Father which sent Jesus draws him.
Jn 6:45
1 Timothy 4:10. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11.  These things command and teach.
You labour to make your notions known by selectively showing scriptures which you suppose supports your truths.
You trust that the sayings of the Lord which do not support your notions can be safely disregarded.

The commandments of God you do not teach.

Now to all you non-judges with no authority, why have you not judged those false “holy spirits” who gave you a gross lie for a judgment doctrine?
According to your teach here, all men are saved,
yet you speak of them as if they are far from being saved.

In fact, you speak as if you are one of the few who is saved, and you hope to teach us that.

2 Timothy 2:3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6. And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
You offer a lot of scripture,
but you're not teaching the commandments.

You teach that all men are saved, and let no man deceive us?

How can a man deceive the saved?
Why would the saved deceive men?
How can a saved be deceived?

So you want to burn “sinner men” in hellfire, do you?
Actually, my intention is to help lift men up out of there.

 You don’t know what spirit is moving you, but I do!
And you said he saves all men.

But those that believe God's words know
the Spirit of God hates the wicked, and loves the righteous.
Doesn't He?

Your teachers are devils in your own body (your personal crown of demonic thorns) who have convinced you that they are “god”!
Just lucky for them, they are saved anyway?

And what sort of salvation is it, when still possessed of devils?
Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
God's law is His righteousness, and it is gifted to us.
His word is His Son.

But not everyone will receive His gift.

Psalm 37:32 The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him. 33 The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.
And the wicked shall perish, that seeked to slay the righteous.
(Ps 1:6)

Micah 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy. 19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.
But if you forgive not those that trespassed against you, neither shall the Father forgive your transgressions.

Micah is talking to the repentant there.
God's punishment is everlasting, if we do not repent to believe all that He and Jesus said.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
And this truth is of the wicked,
that say they are reconciled, yet teach not the commandments.

The word is God, those that are reconciled to the word will teach it all, as the word says.
But the unreconciled select from His word extremely carefully, to reconcile themself.

They say still unto them that despise Me,
The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace;
and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart,
No evil shall come upon you.
Jeremiah 23:17

Bless Jesus Heart Throb and teach the commandments
`Paul

Behold, 
a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, 
even a grievous whirlwind: 
it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
The anger of the LORD shall not return, 
until He have executed, and till He have performed the thoughts of His heart: 
in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
Jeremiah 23:19-20


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