ICB,

Why are you so afraid of those two questions? Seriously, why are you so afraid?

Well, anyway, here's the deal: what you asked earlier was based on a certain premise that YOU YOURSELF framed. There is no premise whatsoever to my question other than one can assume there is supposed to be a Patriarch of Kiev - since all Orthodox, or just about all Orthodox, would agree there is supposed to be one. There, that's settled. Remember, the only premise to my question is that there is supposed to be a Patriarch of Kiev - something all Orthodox would agree with.

There, answered. Now, answer those two questions:

2) Which one is the real Ukrainian Orthodox Church and which one is the real Patriarch and can you explain why?

1) And, by the way, is Bart. I a false shepherd?

Your turn, ICB. Post some actual answers this time.