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Jun 20 11 2:50 PM
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ryld wrote:I doubt anyone here was talking about him personally, Tony. I think it's the Vatican itself that is being referred to.
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Jun 20 11 2:56 PM
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Jun 20 11 4:34 PM
In fact, it has operated in a deficit for the past few years.
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Jun 20 11 4:47 PM
GHSTHA wrote: ryld wrote: I doubt anyone here was talking about him personally, Tony. I think it's the Vatican itself that is being referred to.That's good. BTW, the Holy See also sees itself as a custodian of culture. It has those pieces of art because it regards itself as such.
ryld wrote: I doubt anyone here was talking about him personally, Tony. I think it's the Vatican itself that is being referred to.
Jun 20 11 4:49 PM
Jun 20 11 5:02 PM
Had2 wrote: Hmm and Katzee says what????TIME FOR A TEA PARTY SO WE CAN GIVE GOD HIS MONEY BACK – HE NEEDS IT According to this “christian” preacher – Pastor Steve Munsey – god will not accept any excuses for not giving him your money or as he likes to call it – your heart – - god needs money – - – no – god needs his money back – - he quotes god as saying, “I created this nation so that in the spring of the year there would always be seed in their hand with their income tax … no man will be able stand before me (god) and say ,”God, I never had anything to give”.
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Jun 20 11 6:41 PM
GHSTHA wrote...No one on this board disputes that claim that the Scriptures are the infallible, written word of God.
That was not the point at all. The point is that God has so designed His living word (every jot and tittle) to be self-teaching and as it teaches us we abide in Him as the one and only infallible teaching authority, not the church. To have the faith of Christ as our infallible teacher in respect to any man or men as in ECF theology is to violate the first commandment. Catholics make themselves the teaching authority which rises above God’s authority, as is written by comparing themselves by themselves to themselves and not comparing the spiritual words of Christ to the spiritual words of Christ, they have in effect done just that….. Usurped the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit by assuming its authority to teach us is in respect to sinful men, and not the Holy Spirit itself.
GHSTHA wrote...Yet you want us all to "think" that you and the rest on the non-Catholics on this board have the infallible interpretation of the Scriptures.
That is not what I would agree on. As a Christian I would desire you hear God through the hearing of faith. The idea that you think others are claiming to be the infallible interpreter of scriptures would seem to be your strawman that you use to avoid trusting the God of scripture as the final authority, we are aware of that wile of the devil. I suggest the Holy Spirit alone is the infallible interpreter of Scripture. We hear God by and through the faith of God in accordance to the law of faith. It’s not who should we venerate and puff up against in regard to another man’s opinion of scripture, the manner of spirit of those who do hold men’s opinions as a higher law than that of scripture are reveled as those of the antichrist camp, as those who would seduce us into somehow believing we do need a man to teach us…… obviously because they think the Holy Spirit cannot.
1Co 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
Although we do learn of God as He alone teaches us, we learn in men not to venerate any man as if they were in the place of God, and therefore in doing so take the name of the Lord in vain.
Looking at the verse above it sure seems that Catholics refuse to learn what the Spirit of Christ was saying. They in fact do just the opposite, again and again, and see no evil in doing so as if they were an authority of themselves.
To be taught of infallible God is to be taught of God, as that which scripture declares as the “things of God”. To be taught of fallible men is to be taught of men as the “things of men”, we cannot serve two masters, a distinction between the two (things of God, things of men) must be made.
GHSTHA wrote...The Pope is extremely limited in the area of Papal infallibility.
Jun 20 11 6:57 PM
Jun 20 11 8:55 PM
Do you preach the truth garee??? or could it be your truth is all that matters because you say so?
Jun 21 11 5:12 AM
Jun 21 11 2:11 PM
Katzee1 wrote:In fact, it has operated in a deficit for the past few years. Only tranced out catholic dupes could ever believe that. Unbelievable.
Jun 21 11 2:12 PM
ryld wrote:But I do agree that the Vatican is the custodian of pagan culture. LOL!
Jun 21 11 2:32 PM
The point is that God has so designed His living word (every jot and tittle) to be self-teaching
and as it teaches us we abide in Him as the one and only infallible teaching authority, not the church.
To have the faith of Christ as our infallible teacher in respect to any man or men as in ECF theology is to violate the first commandment.
Catholics make themselves the teaching authority which rises above God’s authority,
The idea that you think others are claiming to be the infallible interpreter of scriptures would seem to be your strawman that you use to avoid trusting the God of scripture as the final authority, we are aware of that wile of the devil.
I suggest the Holy Spirit alone is the infallible interpreter of Scripture.
Papal infallibility is a doctrine of demons. Scripture is perfectly clear on that matter;
Jun 21 11 2:56 PM
GHSTHA wrote:ryld wrote:But I do agree that the Vatican is the custodian of pagan culture. LOL!So all of the pictures of the Lord are pagan?
Jun 21 11 2:59 PM
GHSTHA wrote:Papal infallibility is a doctrine of demons. Scripture is perfectly clear on that matter;Yes it is clear on this. Here is what the Lord said on the matter.Matthew 16:19 - I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven
Jun 21 11 3:02 PM
ryld wrote:GHSTHA wrote:ryld wrote:But I do agree that the Vatican is the custodian of pagan culture. LOL!So all of the pictures of the Lord are pagan?Pictures of the "lord"? How do you know what He looks like? At any rate, I was referring to ancient pagan idols, Tony--such as the Venus statue depicted as placing her hand over her pudenda. This was meant to show her as a "perpetual virgin".
Jun 21 11 3:05 PM
GHSTHA wrote:ryld wrote:GHSTHA wrote:ryld wrote:But I do agree that the Vatican is the custodian of pagan culture. LOL!So all of the pictures of the Lord are pagan?Pictures of the "lord"? How do you know what He looks like? At any rate, I was referring to ancient pagan idols, Tony--such as the Venus statue depicted as placing her hand over her pudenda. This was meant to show her as a "perpetual virgin". But who even worships Venus? It is a piece of art work and nothing more.
ryld wrote:GHSTHA wrote:Papal infallibility is a doctrine of demons. Scripture is perfectly clear on that matter;Yes it is clear on this. Here is what the Lord said on the matter.Matthew 16:19 - I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heavenHm...there doesn't seem to be any reference to any "pope", to any future popes, in that. Not only was Peter not a pope, but that was not speaking of any succession. Not any indication at all of any succession.
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