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Jun 22 11 5:33 PM
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Jun 24 11 7:01 AM
ryld wrote:The pagans used to call those niches in which they placed the queen of heaven (ashterah) "asherahs". LOL!
And when they(Catholic sect) shall say unto you, Seek (necromancy)unto them that have familiar spirits(patron saint theology), and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:19
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Jun 24 11 9:24 AM
Jun 24 11 11:29 AM
Adding to Scriptures again garee??? How do you expect to be saved if you continue to distort God's word?
BTW where was the Catholic sect in the OT?
Then all the elders (Bishops)of Israel (perfect unity of the flesh) gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.1Sa 8:5
Jun 24 11 11:32 AM
Had2 wrote:Adding to Scriptures again garee??? How do you expect to be saved if you continue to distort God's word? BTW where was the Catholic sect in the OT?
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Jun 24 11 12:01 PM
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Its there, as the golden thread that is found woven throughout the word of God.
You just as a Catholic are not allowed to get under its authority seeing you follow another authority( ECF's), which you believe widens the authority of the word of God.
Thats common knowledge that Catholics have chosen sola ecclesia as the authority that shapes the clay it is forming, turning things upside again and again as if God had no understanding of His own.
Again self teaching with the real presence of Christ as our teacher, is exactly the way our Faithful Creator, Christ, the one and only author and effector of absolute truth created the book of the law, the Bible.
Because it is alive, as it teaches us we understand it has the authority as a discern-er of the thoughts and intents of our hearts, as it does it work of faith in us, we in effect can believe God as the result of His work in us.
The law of faith, is faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the Word of God. It does not get any clearer than that.
The commandment to teach the nations was in regard to following the commandments of God, within the book of the law; it was not in regard to trusting men as if they were God themselves.
Well if they possess this immutable attribute of God which you say they do, you have in effect already decided to have the faith of Christ in respect to them and not Christ alone. Scripture declares that manner of faith is blasphemy, so yes you do claim they are gods we must have before our living God Christ, Jesus.
So , as a Catholic you must have other gods; before our living God, Christ Jesus.
and the thousands could never be enough seeing the number of familiar spirits as a false cloud of witness to those who do violate the first commandment, is added almost daily in these end times.
Jun 24 11 12:07 PM
Tony, you are purposely eliding over the fact that your church is promoting what were idols.
The point is, what are men who claim to be preaching the Gospel doing with things that have nothing to do with the preaching of the Gospel, that were once worshiped as gods, not just as the statues they were, but what they represented, that these same pagans who worshiped that "art" and those gods that "art" represented, also persecuted the early believers of the Gospel because they did not worship those gods, so that they are in effect, soaked in the blood of the saints?
Jun 24 11 12:10 PM
GHSTHA wrote:ryld wrote,Tony, you are purposely eliding over the fact that your church is promoting what were idols.But those things are viewed as art now. People make money into an idol but I'm sure that you make money and use it and I'm sure that your pastor receives a check. Are you(he) promoting an idol because many people idolize money?The point is, what are men who claim to be preaching the Gospel doing with things that have nothing to do with the preaching of the Gospel, that were once worshiped as gods, not just as the statues they were, but what they represented, that these same pagans who worshiped that "art" and those gods that "art" represented, also persecuted the early believers of the Gospel because they did not worship those gods, so that they are in effect, soaked in the blood of the saints?The same can be said for Evangelical/Fundamentalist pastors and their use of money.
Jun 24 11 12:30 PM
As I asked twice now, Do you think that Paul or Peter would become caretakers of "art" that was once idols and that still depicts false gods made up by men, worshiped by those who persecuted Believers who refused to bow down to them, and which are thereby covered in the blood of the martyrs? Really?
The money loving evangelicals and fundamentalists money is soaked in the blood of the saints? LOL!
Jun 24 11 12:40 PM
Well ryld if you knew anything about Archeology you would know the early Christians used all kinds of art, They had to go underground and the only way they could spread the Good News was through art and tradition. Then again what would a member {ryld} of the New Age "I AM" Cult know about anything beyond 1930
The oldest surviving Christian paintings are from the site at Megiddo, dated to around the year 70, and the oldest Christian sculptures are from sarcophagi, dating to the beginning of the 2nd century. The largest groups of Early Christian paintings come from the tombs in the Catacombs of Rome, and show the evolution of the depiction of JesusThe Shepherd represents Jesus who will search lovingly for even one wandering Child of God and rejoice when it is found. In the Priscilla "Good Shepherd" the Shepherd holds the lost sheep upon his shoulders as two other sheep look on with rapt attention. What is left of the chipping plaster shows paints of an earthy green and brown. The figures are relatively small and are a part of a larger wall painting that includes praying figures and the Old Testament story of Jonah and the Whale, (Lowden p.26). This fading fresco depicts the Virgin and Christ Child sitting underneath the outstretched branches of an apple tree. Sitting beside the Virgin and Child is a figure believed to be a prophet
Jun 24 11 1:16 PM
GHSTHA wrote:ryld wrote,As I asked twice now, Do you think that Paul or Peter would become caretakers of "art" that was once idols and that still depicts false gods made up by men, worshiped by those who persecuted Believers who refused to bow down to them, and which are thereby covered in the blood of the martyrs? Really? 1. If those art works were viewed as idols and worshiped as such, I would say, "no."2. If those statues were considered to be just pieces of art work then I'm not sure.The money loving evangelicals and fundamentalists money is soaked in the blood of the saints? LOL!You do not think that there are preachers out there that bilk people into believing that they are "saved" and that they are going to be "raptured" and they send them on mission trips and these poor people get killed for the delusions of their preachers?
Jun 24 11 1:19 PM
Had2 wrote:Well ryld if you knew anything about Archeology you would know the early Christians used all kinds of art, They had to go underground and the only way they could spread the Good News was through art and tradition. Then again what would a member {ryld} of the New Age "I AM" Cult know about anything beyond 1930
Jun 24 11 1:48 PM
That you are not sure, shows you are dead in trespasses and have no clue as to the Gospel, Tony. There is no way in the name of Heaven that either Paul or Peter would install themselves as caretakers of idols cum "art".
How is that the same as those idolaters who slew the martyrs because they wouldn't worship their gods, Tony?
Jun 24 11 1:57 PM
GHSTHA wrote:ryld wrote,That you are not sure, shows you are dead in trespasses and have no clue as to the Gospel, Tony. There is no way in the name of Heaven that either Paul or Peter would install themselves as caretakers of idols cum "art".I'm not sure because you can look at the statue in two ways, either an idol or an art work. I think that you are trying to mix the two concepts together.How is that the same as those idolaters who slew the martyrs because they wouldn't worship their gods, Tony?I thought that we were talking about idols. I brought up money because many make an idol out of it and use others, out of religious motives, to make money for themselves.
Jun 24 11 2:03 PM
Jun 24 11 2:09 PM
GHSTHA wrote:Also, my explanation of St. Peter and Paul is quite plain. I do not know what they would make of these statues as "art work." I cannot read their minds.
Jun 24 11 2:13 PM
Jun 24 11 2:37 PM
As I said before one has to wonder what they would say if it was just viewed as art work and nothing more.
Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.Psa 115:4 Now if the Catholic sect does not trust them, why do they make them and line the roof of the Vatican with them?
Jun 24 11 2:46 PM
Jun 24 11 2:48 PM
GHSTHA wrote:As I said before one has to wonder what they would say if it was just viewed as art work and nothing more.
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