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Nov 1 12 6:31 AM
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Nov 1 12 7:34 AM
Midgie wrote...I think Garee had to run and google "weak and beggarly elements" because he quotes Scripture having NO clue what it means!
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Nov 1 12 8:02 AM
Garee wrote:I know exactly what it means.Remember you are the one that is not allowed to study to show yourself approved of God because you must first seek the approval of highly venerable men.
Nov 1 12 8:09 AM
Garee wrote:For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
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Nov 2 12 1:03 AM
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So, Paul, do you now understand what Jesus did for YOU on that Cross?
Do you now see the LOVE of Christ on that Cross?
Do you now understand that you did not reconcile yourself to God?
Do you now see that it was the chastisement that was laid upon the Lord that made us whole and reconciled us to God?
See the LOVE, Paul:
You have denied that Christ has ransomed us with His very Life,
but think about what He left behind to come to earth and the price He paid with His very Life to reconcile us back to God!
He took the iniquity of us all onto Himself to save us from going to HELL!
How dare you act so arrogant and pompous and think you reconciled yourself back to God.
The Law is the schoolmaster to make us aware of just how sinful we are.....and our need of a Savior!
The Law did its job in my life and brought me to my knees in repentance and in search for God Himself!
I now KNOW Jesus IS my Lord and my Savior!!
Midgie do you think comingfrom knows what the word "repentance" means?
I believe both Paul and yourself are following a gospel of works, of self righteousness that is not entirely dependant after the words of Christ and therefore not the true gospel, and both would come under the teaching in Mathew 7 where Christ says depart form me, I never knew you, as if we could add something we could do to His finished work which of itself provided all the fullness of His grace necessary for us to enter heaven as white as snow without spot or blemish .
The power of the cross is made to no effect through the many Catholic additions coming from the oral traditions of their Bishops.
Rather than His work actually effectually paying for the full wages of sin (every one) which is eternal in nature, coming from the fullness of His grace (100%) Catholic teach is was only a down payment that must be accompanied by their good works.Instead of His work of faith coming as a labor of His love providing 100% of the grace needed to pay the eternal wage of sin, the work that Christ provided becomes an unknown amount perhaps 17% for one person as a down payment, while His grace provided 100 % for our dear sister in the Lord, Mary, as if God was a respecter of person..So the power of the cross becomes to them a unknown portion of what is needed to enter heaven and must be made up as the final payment in a place called purgatory which is another unknown factor as to length of time or severity of the suffering that one must do to make themselves clean enough to enter.. and therefore preach another gospel, other than the gospel Christ preaches.
Rather than His work actually effectually paying for the full wages of sin (every one) which is eternal in nature, coming from the fullness of His grace (100%) Catholic teach is was only a down payment that must be accompanied by their good works.
Instead of His work of faith coming as a labor of His love providing 100% of the grace needed to pay the eternal wage of sin, the work that Christ provided becomes an unknown amount perhaps 17% for one person as a down payment, while His grace provided 100 % for our dear sister in the Lord, Mary, as if God was a respecter of person..
So the power of the cross becomes to them a unknown portion of what is needed to enter heaven and must be made up as the final payment in a place called purgatory which is another unknown factor as to length of time or severity of the suffering that one must do to make themselves clean enough to enter.. and therefore preach another gospel, other than the gospel Christ preaches.
Paul on the other hand seems to have developed his own purgatory doctrine where the suffering comes in as he attempts to fulfill the requirement of Old testament ceremonial laws which were already (past tense) fulfilled at the cross and are identified by the law of God as weak and useless in light of Christ's fulfillment of them. But Christians are the freed men and not in bondage to ceremonial laws as if keeping them is ones own purgatory.
Galatians 4:9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
garee what you believe was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles. You make things up as you go.
Exactly what weak and beggarly elements are you referring to, Garee?
garee must be on drugs...
he wrote on the OSAS thread quote- I am not ashamed of my church then he comes here and starts blaming others for not believing what he believes.
I am still waiting for him to provide us with OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS FROM his CHURCH"S teaching on embryonic stem cell research.
I think Garee had to run and google "weak and beggarly elements" because he quotes Scripture having NO clue what it means!
Nov 2 12 2:06 AM
Nov 2 12 6:01 AM
Paul wrote...Garee pronounces himself to be as white as snow without spot or blemish, without having done any of the works, which the LORD commanded.
Either Christ does all the work of salvation, or He does none.So yes, by the exclusive " grace of God"... amen. Its boasting in works we can do that makes the fullness of the Grace of God to "no effect". We are either saved entirely by His Grace alone or we are still considered dead in our tresspasses and sins.The idea of limbo, someplace between, is a doctrine of men that has been reformed.
For by "grace" are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.Ephesians 2:8-9
Since you arelooking for a work we can do what kind of works might that be Paul?Remember the works required to pay the full wage of sin which is eternal in nature, which by and through Christ, alone any man may enter heaven as white as snow without spot or blemish.Did making Christ the object of sin for us provide enough grace that we could be made the righteousness of God ? Or did that mutual work of the Father and Son fall short of the glory of God, and we need another kind of righteousness which is of ourselves in order to make us as white as snow without spot or blemis?2 Corinthians 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.I believe, the Catholics , like yourself conclude Christ's sacrifice fell short of full "eternal" payment of sin which could make us white as snow without spot or blemish and therefore have added purgatory to make up for what they say Christ has not finished, and therefore purgatory is the place where men can make themselves white as snow. And you believe keeping ceremonial laws is your purgatory. Where does scripture inform us in regard to keeping a ceremonial law can work at making us clean enough to enter the new heavens and earth?
Does performing one of your Sabbath walks abouts reduce the eternal wage of your sin in someway shape or form that in the end could make your soul, as white as snow without spot or blemish? And in doing so you will be found with a righteousness of your own?
You didn't even have to believe the person who told you that saying you now offer us, Garee?
?????
Nov 2 12 6:03 AM
Nov 2 12 6:44 AM
Midgie asked..Has somebody here said the blood of bulls and goats take away sins? If not, then what is your point of quoting that passage of Scripture to us?
May I ask what you think the purpose of Baptism was for?
John 3:25Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.Rom 3:3
I believe, the foundation and root of Baptism is after an old testament ceremonial law, as a purifying rite . It was applied to a new priest by a Levi before entering his priestly duties. John the baptist being of the family of Levi baptized Christ to show Christ's submissiveness according to that law before He was sent out in the desert for forty days to be tested by God at the beginning of His ministry.That ceremonial law using the temporal as that seen in lieu of the elements of this world, (H20) like all ceremonial laws are used as types or shadows pointing to the eternal as that not seen.They like the blood of goats lambs and bulls in effect do not confer grace, even though they are required.
Nov 2 12 6:48 AM
Had2 wrote:Still waiting for garee to provide us with OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS FROM his CHURCH"S teaching on embryonic stem cell research.
Nov 2 12 7:09 AM
Nov 2 12 8:00 AM
Had2 wrote:Sure they are.. but you have not provided what YOUR PASTOR OR YOUR CHURCH TEACHES. Are you ashamed of your church?
Nov 2 12 9:24 AM
Nov 2 12 9:47 AM
Garee wrote:I agree with your sects opinion. Are your OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS FROM your CHURCH ok for me to agree with ?
Nov 2 12 10:23 AM
Nov 2 12 2:49 PM
Either Christ does all the work of salvation, or He does none.So yes, by the exclusive " grace of God"... amen.
Its boasting in works we can do that makes the fullness of the Grace of God to "no effect"
We are either saved entirely by His Grace alone or we are still considered dead in ourtresspasses and sins.The idea of limbo, someplace between, is a doctrine of men that has been reformed.
Since you arelooking for a work we can do what kind of works might that be Paul?
Remember the works required to pay the full wage of sin which is eternal in nature, which by and through Christ, alone any man may enter heaven as white as snow without spot or blemish.
Did making Christ the object of sin for us provide enough grace that we could be made the righteousness of God ?
Or did that mutual work of the Father and Son fall short of the glory of God, and we need another kind of righteousness which is of ourselves in order to make us as white as snow without spot or blemis?
2 Corinthians 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
I believe, the Catholics , like yourself conclude Christ's sacrifice fell short of full "eternal" payment of sin which could make us white as snow without spot or blemish and therefore have added purgatory to make up for what they say Christ has not finished, and therefore purgatory is the place where men can make themselves white as snow.
And you believe keeping ceremonial laws is your purgatory. Where does scripture inform us in regard to keeping a ceremonial law can work at making us clean enough to enter the new heavens and earth?
Does performing one of your Sabbath walks abouts reduce the eternal wage of your sin in someway shape or form that in the end could make your soul, as white as snow without spot or blemish?
And in doing so you will be found with a righteousness of your own?
You didn't even have to believe the person who told you that saying you now offer us, Garee??????
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