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Apr 10 13 6:35 PM
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Apr 10 13 6:42 PM
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Had2 wrote:Apparently you can't back up garee's claim of a first century reformation
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Apr 11 13 2:24 AM
Cheezit wrote:Apparently you have missed about 99% of the threads that Had2 has started.
Apr 11 13 2:34 AM
comingfrom wrote:I didn't quote it all, because I wanted to affirm the point that St Paul makes in the first phrase.
Apr 11 13 3:24 AM
Had2 wrote:Maybe you are not aware of this cheezit.. but when someone makes a false claim against the Catholic Church it is our duty as Catholics to correct them.
Midgie wrote:What difference does it make who starts the threads, Cheezit? That doesn't change the fact that you non-Catholics are here solely to bash the faith of Catholics, does it?
Apr 11 13 3:40 AM
Apr 11 13 3:59 AM
Midgie wrote:If you can't take the heat, Cheezie, don't bother coming here solely to find fault and bash Catholics!
Apr 11 13 4:11 AM
Cheezit wrote:You get what you dish out.
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Cheezit wrote:Don't tell me to "practice what I preach" until the road truly goes both ways.
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Apr 11 13 6:09 AM
Had2 wrote: Sure post away garee... I always enjoy a good laugh. Where is the first century reformation found in the Bible garee?
The living, abiding, eternal word of God has been the reforming agent from the beginning of time. “It’s” the reforming agent the gates of hell could never prevail against . Remember Had2, as “it” teaches us we abide in Him alone, the restorer...... as the one who does reform by His Spirit in every reformation. Whether it is one person or an entire nation of people. We understand by faith the work is not too hard for Him that He would need to be served by human hands, to do the work of restoring/reforming called reformations.
The first century reformation was spoken of as something to come through the Old Testament prophets in various manners and ways.. It was not a surprise to the King of kings and Lord of lords.
To restore something is it to reform it in lieu of the original form, by restoring it to the original intent. Reformation by restoring was a common fact through history and not new to the fifteenth century reformation. The Holy Spirit spoke of the time of reformation in various ways to include the new name He has given to the body of Christ the wife, which He named in the book of Acts, as “Christian”.
Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.
A name that denotes residents of the city of Christ, as the City spoken of in Revelations 21 identified as those prepared as His bride/wife.
Revelation 21:2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride “adorned” for her husband.
The city of righteousness (holy city) refers to a spiritual body spoken of as lively stones that do make up the spiritual house of God called the bride of Christ, or the church of course in regard to as a kingdom of priest, with every member a priest, as an ambassador for Christ as those reining with Christ on earth from a foreign land (heaven), the new reformed manner by which Christ would now evangelize the whole world.Top of FormBottom of Form
1 Peter 2:5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
The members thereof consist of those who will not be found with any righteousness of themselves but a righteousness of Christ alone that exclusively comes by walking by faith, called the faithful City again in respect to His bride/wife the church,. This is the time period He promised He would restore by reforming, during the time of the reformation spoken of clearly in Hebrews 10, as the time of reformation..
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of "reformation".
The signal or sign that the City of Christ (the new heavenly Jerusalem) would be finished was finished in its entire entirety when Christ proclaimed “it is finished”. This occurred when he of His own volition gave up the Spirit, which returned to the Father of Spirits. This was finished in regard to the preparation needed to complete it.Christ spoke of that work in John14.Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.John 14:1-3
At that time of the first century reformation to show He was restoring, by reforming it to the period of the Judges when there was no outward manifestation in regard to a King in regard to the outward flesh like the pagan nations of the world whom the Jews got jealous of and demanded an outward manifestation , but before that time period when men walked by faith as our invisible King of kings reigned from heaven by the reforming authority of His word through His prophets, again identified today as the reformed holy city (Chritians) of those who will not be found with any kind of righteousness of their own but those who do walk by the same spirit of faith acording as it is written.(sola scriptura).
Note...Again to restore is to reform called a reformation, and again the word city denotes His bride the churchIsaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.
The temporal temple worship in regard to veil and other ceremonial laws by which a high priest a type or shadow used to represent Christ as part of the ceremonial law entered once a year to symbolize as a shadow pointing to Christ finished work at Calvary. It was torn from the top to the bottom to show the reformation, as it is writen had begun .The graves of the Old Testament saint in whom the Spirit of Christ dwelt were opened and they entered the holy city called new Jerusalem, as the same city spoken of in Revelation 21 prepared as His bride/wife the church, filled with believers who will be found with no righteousness of them themselves, again also referred to as the faithful city as those who did walk by faith. This work of Christ as a part of the first century reformation signaled the beginning of restoring/reforming, it is shown in Mathew 27,as to what Midgie calls the proof text, the text that prove God has spoken from heaven.
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.Mathew 27:50-53
Apr 11 13 6:47 AM
Garee wrote:Revelation 21:2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride “adorned” for her husband.
Garee wrote:Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.
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Garee wrote:Revelation 21:2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride “adorned” for her husband.Well, when are you going to strive to enter in, Garee, so you can go in and out and find pasture? (John 10:9)
Garee wrote:Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city."And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." ~ Matthew 19:28"That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."~ Luke 22:30
Now what did St. John SEE when he looked into Heaven?"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them..."~ Revelation 20:4
Jesus is reigning NOW in the hearts of His people and those who followed Him into Heaven are reigning with Him....which is what Catholics call the Communion of Saints! We can enter into the Kingdom NOW and go in and out and find pasture (John 10:9), as the majority of Catholic Saints did, but once we enter Heaven, we will go out no more! (Rev 3:12)
Surrender ALL, Garee!"Being a Christian is not just about following commandments: it is about letting Christ take possession of our lives and transform them."~ Pope Francis
" Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert. The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen. This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise." ~ Isaiah 43:18-21What NEW thing did God do,Garee?
Apr 17 13 3:38 AM
comingfrom wrote:Does anybody ever consider referring to God's word for understanding of what the NT apostles were saying?
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 8:10 ¶And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. Philippians 3:9 ¶And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 2 Peter 1:1 ¶Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
comingfrom wrote:In those that repent, God renews His covenant with them.
Apr 17 13 8:06 PM
comingfrom wrote:Does anybody ever consider referring to God's word for understanding of what the NT apostles were saying?Do you?
Paul, it is those who hunger and thirst for righteousness who will be filled!
It is God Himself Who fills us!
You go about to establish your own righteousness through the letter of the law, but the righteousness of Christians is found through the Spirit of faith in Christ Jesus!
As the Scriptures say, Paul: "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."~ Galatians 2:21
Truly, consider:"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"~ Galatians 3:2
I believe you had some kind of an encounter with the Lord years ago, Paul.
If so, you were doing nothing but seeking and questioning at the time. Is that right?
You did not earn it nor were you worthy of it.
You most likely were hungering and thirsting for righteousness, but you were NOT keeping any commandments!
The Lord just gave you a taste of His Spirit to draw you to Himself.
Instead of keeping your focus on Jesus, you had itching ears and heaped upon yourself teachers that led you away from Christ Himself!
Do a study on the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ!
comingfrom wrote:In those that repent, God renews His covenant with them.No, that is not the NEW thing God has done, Paul!
The new thing is the new Spirit God places within us so that the Law is not something outside of ourselves we strive to keep but part of our new nature in Christ!
"He that believeth on Me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"~ John 7:38"And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh..."~ Ezekiel 11:19"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."~ 2 Corinthians 3:6
You preach the letter which kills, Paul, when you should be preaching the Spirit which gives life!
Apr 18 13 8:10 AM
comingfrom wrote:I preach to keep God's law.
comingfrom wrote:Jesus only manifests Himself to me when I do the commandments, as God's word commands.
comingfrom wrote:I received the Spirit through doing the works of the law, as God's word says to.
comingfrom wrote:And I know, them who are filled with the law are the same who are filled with God's righteousness.
Apr 18 13 7:46 PM
The problem, Paul, is God's law is whatever you decide it to be, isn't it?
As I asked before, do you also think we should keep the OT laws of stoning people to death?
Why don't you answer that?
Manifests Himself to you HOW?
You're deceiving yourself, Paul!
"Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? "~ Galatians 3:3
The scribes and Pharisees were filled with the law, were they not?
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