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Sep 1 13 9:02 AM
The Catholic Church has NEVER claimed to be a religion of the Book
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Sep 1 13 9:30 AM
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Sep 1 13 9:47 AM
Sep 2 13 6:55 AM
Midgie wrote:Yes, Amen, Katz!!! The New Testament is the product of the Church which includes the writings of the earliest Spirit-filled Christians testifying to those things that Jesus said and did. The Old Testament was written by Jews who once again TESTIFIED of Jesus. The Book should lead us all to JESUS!!"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me. And ye will not come to Me, that ye might have life." ~ John 5:39 Get it??? The Scriptures TESTIFY of Jesus! Eternal life is NOT found in the Scriptures, although the Scriptures are sufficient to lead you to it: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent. " ~ John 17:3 Again, eternal life is not found in the Scriptures; it is found in JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son." ~ 1 John 5:11 Eternal life is NOT in the Scriptures; it is in Jesus Himself. God bless you
Sep 2 13 7:20 AM
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Sep 2 13 7:51 AM
Had 2 offered... What is the pillar and foundation of the truth?Does the Bible say it is the Bible? No, it says it is the Church, 1Timothy 3:15.This verse also tells us that the Church was already in existence before 1Timothy was written.
Yes, the church of our “living God” with the emphasis on our “living God” . The part Catholics forget to quote when quoting that verse. Our living God is the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against, just as it (by faith) as it is written, teaches us
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.The church, as the bride of Christ, the spiritual house of God made up of many lively stones was around long before 1Timothy was written.
The Spirit of Christ was adding lively stones to that spiritual house, the church all through the old testament.
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Sep 2 13 8:55 AM
Sep 2 13 6:24 PM
Number 1- You changed the topic. Your topic was that Catholicism is not a religion of the Book. TRUE. It is NOT the Christian religion that is taught throughout scripture. It is a PAGANIZED VERSION of it which Rome teaches, which YOU can see if you would start being honest with yourself, just as anyone else can.
Sep 2 13 6:35 PM
Had2 wrote:Your PB church is not the church of the NT garee. Nice try though. "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved", Acts 2:47, King James Bible. Note the singular, "the church".
Sep 2 13 6:37 PM
Sep 3 13 12:17 AM
Had2 wrote: Your PB church is not the church of the NT garee. Nice try though."And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved", Acts 2:47, King James Bible.Note the singular, "the church".
For the one hundreth time I am no longer a member there, its been 5 years since I have moved on to another which is more of the reformed nature.PB was my home church where the gospel of Christ had it first effect and quickened my soul.(they preached the gospel there, not we are the one mother church))Yes, it is noted the word church is singular.Just as the word American is singular as one nation made up of many nations in unity to one law . Remember that our Father in heaven (not Rome) is typified under the name of Abraham which means the Father of many nations, called denominations or sects. (not one nation called Catholic.) Therefore to be in the bosom of Abraham is to be in the very presence of eternal God. No person is going to be judged on what denomination they chose to belong to. In every one there could be lambs or goats, Christians as believers, or goats in regard to no faith, or another, Children of light, or children of darkness, wheat or tares all of those different metphors make up every denomination, they will be sorted out at the end of the age..when the kingsdom of this world will become the Kingdoms of God in the new heavens and earth where the former things of this world will not be remembered forever ,as in never coming to mind
Children of light do not walk in the darkness of what is called "patron saint theology" to them and according to light of God word, God calls worker with familiar spirits. For in the end of the matter following after a foundation based on necromancy, only proves one is still in the darkness of the kingdoms of the occult.
Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness. sa 8:18-22
Note …… law and to the testimony…..sola scriptura
I am offering you a great verse to try and memorize .Its good to try and memorize verses so that the Spirit of Christ can bring them to mind if one finds themselves walking in darkness, before Alzheimer’s can occur or a our vision and hearing are also weakened as we approach the end. Now is the time before we depart from this realm under the sun and will never have again any part in anything that does occur here.
How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psa 119:103
Sep 3 13 1:01 AM
Yes, Amen, Katz!!! The New Testament is the product of the Church which includes the writings of the earliest Spirit-filled Christians testifying to those things that Jesus said and did. The Old Testament was written by Jews who once again TESTIFIED of Jesus. The Book should lead us all to JESUS!!
Yes, the living voice of the book leads us to Jesus. Not the Jews according to their "law of the fathers"(efc's) beginning with Abraham, or the Catholics according to the "law of fathers"(efc's) whom they claim begins with Peter. The spiritual house of God the church is made up of many lively stones which are built on one foundation ,our Father in heaven(not fathers on earth.
The rebuke Christ spoke to the Jews using Abraham as their foundation for robbing the glory of God, the same applies to the Catholics who use the name Peter in the same corrupt way.
Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Note …… these stones …………Christians who walk by faith, as those who put no hope in the sacraments used in ceremonial laws which are simply shadows without substance, as a cloud with rain.(no gospel)
Christians of all denominations preach Christ, not themselves as those who compare themselves by themselves and not the scriptures as the final authority in matters of faith and morals...
Scripture has one author and effector who wrote a book of the His perfect loving law according to one tenor (write these words) and He who has begun a good work according to His faith in us promises us He will finish it.(OSAS)
Exo 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
His covenant is not built upon the fathers (efc’s) which is simply a way of usurping the authority of our one Father in heaven . While the apostate Jews looked to the fathers(efc’s) who followed after sacramental-ism, the Catholics have followed suit. And by looking as the fathers its easy to see what their commentaries according to their fallible opinions are promoting, sacramental-ism also. Christians, whether Jew or Gentile walk by faith not after the temporal things used in ceremonial laws that go up in smoke and ashes, but after Christ alone.(the eternal God )
Sep 3 13 8:36 AM
Katzee1 wrote:Midgie wrote:Yes, Amen, Katz!!! The New Testament is the product of the Church which includes the writings of the earliest Spirit-filled Christians testifying to those things that Jesus said and did. The Old Testament was written by Jews who once again TESTIFIED of Jesus. The Book should lead us all to JESUS!!"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me. And ye will not come to Me, that ye might have life." ~ John 5:39 Get it??? The Scriptures TESTIFY of Jesus! Eternal life is NOT found in the Scriptures, although the Scriptures are sufficient to lead you to it: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent. " ~ John 17:3 Again, eternal life is not found in the Scriptures; it is found in JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son." ~ 1 John 5:11 Eternal life is NOT in the Scriptures; it is in Jesus Himself. God bless youNumber 1- You changed the topic. Your topic was that Catholicism is not a religion of the Book. TRUE. It is NOT the Christian religion that is taught throughout scripture. It is a PAGANIZED VERSION of it which Rome teaches, which YOU can see if you would start being honest with yourself, just as anyone else can.
Sep 3 13 8:55 AM
Katzee wrote:The Roman Catholic organization HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR AGAINST GOD-INSPIRED SCRIPTURE.
"A religion without mystics is a philosophy."~ Pope Francis
Sep 3 13 8:58 AM
Sep 3 13 9:15 AM
Midgie wrote:Katzee wrote:The Roman Catholic organization HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR AGAINST GOD-INSPIRED SCRIPTURE. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds, Katz, when it was the Catholic Church who compiled the Bible? It was a Catholic who invented the printing press and the Bible was the first Book printed. Scripture is read 24/7/365 at every Mass all around the world for the past 2000 years now. What has happened to you, Katz, that you have so much hatred towards the Catholic Church in your heart? Seriously, did you have a bad experience with a Priest or something? God bless you
Sep 3 13 9:28 AM
Midgie wrote: BTW, Katz, the Catholic Church is NOT a religion of the Book. The Bible is the fruit of the Catholic Church. The Lord works through His Church that He gave the Great Commission to teach ALL nations. If you weren't so blind, you'd see the Church has even fed you through the Bible they compiled to feed ALL nations.God bless you
The Bible (write these words) is a tradition of God not of men ; God moved holy men of old according to "write these words" just as He also moved sinful men to compile it as one book .The Bible is the fruit of God Spirit, and not in accordance according by which Christ rebuked the apostles for walking by sight. when He asked of them in the book of Luke 9…and also Mark 9
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
The one manner of spirit by which we can” know” Him in a personal way is clearly alone by the same spirit of faith according as it is written. It is after that manner (write these words) alone called sola scriptura, as the one exclusive manner which is is the tenor of all Christian’s faith. You simply as a Catholic must follow other manners and the same applies with manner you make the one manner to no effect by we can seek His spiritual presence and not the presence of wamilar spirits or what you are required by Cathilc law and call patron saints..
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
Note… spirit …One, not spirits in regard to fathers, legion
Catholics obviously speak after another manner and therefore another Christ a daysman they call the (Pope) the other un holy manner.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Sep 3 13 9:32 AM
Katzee wrote:Yes, roman catholicism is NOT a religion of The Book!
Sep 3 13 10:07 AM
Midgie wrote:Katzee wrote:Yes, roman catholicism is NOT a religion of The Book! You're so right, Katz! How can the Roman Catholic Church be founded on a Book when we were founded on Jesus Christ and His Apostles? The Book is the fruit of the Church. Katz, all this hatred you're spewing for Christ's Church is destructive to your soul. You sound like you'd fit in well with Rev. Phelps and his ilk. I truly do pray for you that you encounter Jesus Christ Almighty Himself so He can transform your heart in His Love for you. God bless you
Sep 3 13 10:12 AM
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