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Jun 9 08 1:45 AM
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Jun 9 08 2:06 AM
I would rather spend my time with 100 cats than with 100 humans.
Weanie, I was not speaking of the RIchard Gere character. I was saying you are treating David as many would a movie idol, or rock star, or even politician.
As for the other opinion that Jesus was David - please go to a JW board and post that.
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Jun 9 08 2:23 AM
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Jesus is the root and offspring of David. Jesus created EVERYTHING and was there at the beginning of genealogies in Luke when He created Adam and was there at the end of the geneologies when born of Mary. He is the root of David. He is also the offspring of David, too, but the word offspring also means:
See Greek No. 1096 <G1096> genos -- pronounced: {ghen'-os}
from 1096; "kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective): -- born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock. He was born into the flesh through the bloodline of David. Jesus is NOT the reincarnation of David. Jesus is Almighty God in the flesh. God bless you
O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fire of hell,lead all souls to heaven, especially those who are in most need of Thy mercy.~ Fatima Prayer
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Jun 10 08 3:28 PM
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Weanie Piglet.
As for the other opinion that Jesus was David - That was not my opinion, it was Comingfrom's.
As for the other opinion that Jesus was David -
Jun 10 08 3:53 PM
DIdn't Jesus warn us of those who would come to us and say "This is the Christ" or "He is over here"???
And I say unto you My friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Luke 12:4-5 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee. Exodus 33:5
Jun 10 08 4:07 PM
Jesus is the root and offspring of David. Jesus created EVERYTHING and was there at the beginning of genealogies in Luke when He created Adam and was there at the end of the geneologies when born of Mary. He is the root of David. He is also the offspring of David, too, but the word offspring also means: See Greek No. 1096 <G1096> genos -- pronounced: {ghen'-os} from 1096; "kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective): -- born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock. He was born into the flesh through the bloodline of David. Jesus is NOT the reincarnation of David. Jesus is Almighty God in the flesh.
from 1096; "kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective): -- born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock. He was born into the flesh through the bloodline of David. Jesus is NOT the reincarnation of David. Jesus is Almighty God in the flesh.
Jun 11 08 6:43 AM
Jun 12 08 1:43 AM
And what does "the root of David" mean? Root means the place where something begins....or someone you are descended. Didn't you ever watch the movie "Roots?" LOL!
Jun 12 08 2:22 AM
That's what I presumed too. So Jesus' spirit is where David's life begun too. Right? I was hoping you'd show us the reference, as you did for the part of the saying you chose to keep, to know if I was right. Now I'd like to know if we are right. `Paul
Jun 12 08 5:48 AM
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Revelation 5:5
Jun 12 08 6:10 AM
the Son of man is the root of both David and Jesus
Jun 12 08 7:15 AM
Paul, how can Jesus be the root of Jesus as if he descended from Himself....as if Jesus had a beginning.
Jesus Himself is the Root and Creator of ALL things. He is the Alpha and the Omega...the beginning and the end.
As I already noted above, Jesus is there at the beginning of genealogoies in Luke at the creation of Adam and He is there at the end of genealogies in Luke being born in the flesh through the bloodline of David....the Root and offspring of David.
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to Me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on Me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen Me, and believe not. John 6:35-36
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Jun 12 08 7:28 AM
That's what I presumed too. So Jesus' spirit is where David's life begun too. Right?
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 1 Corintians 12:3-11 Since it is clear that there is only one Spirit, one work of faith ,one throne .How many footstools will we throw our crowns at, will they be at the feet of Jesus that evey knee will bow and every tongues taught of God ,will confess that Jesus is Lord or the feet of the Holy Spirit or the feet of our heavenly Father? The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.Psalms 110:1
Jun 12 08 8:03 AM
So the spirit which came in the flesh as Jesus, is the same spirit that came in the flesh as David.
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Jun 12 08 8:10 AM
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Jun 13 08 7:33 AM
David as all humans, in Adam ,are born spiritually dead in thier tresspasses and sins,without hope and without God. David's new spirit life, as a new creature ,came by the hearing of Christ's "work of faith" of the incorruptible seed of God. From that standpoint ,David's spirit life ,with God began ,as David continued to receive the end of His faith ,given from above, the salvation of his soul. Davis as all humans born of the seed of two parents ,without the faith of Christ ,must of been born from above, through the washing and renewing of regeneration, of the free water, of His living word. Scripture I believe teaches us that it is impossible to have faith in Christ ,unless we are first given the faith of Christ of God. Since scripture clearly emphasises the fact that we have the substance of "one" hope ,by "one" work of faith ,"one" Spirit . We can easily see how the mutual "one" work of faith ,of the Father and Son working together, bring peace ,where no peace formally existed, knowing that peace is not the just absence of hostillty but the presence of two or more persons working together, in ""perfect harmony ,as one Spirit. 1 Corintians chapter 12 emphasises this truth concluding the selfsame Spirit as one working in harmony in the God head. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 1 Corintians 12:3-11 Since it is clear that there is only one Spirit, one work of faith ,one throne .How many footstools will we throw our crowns at, will they be at the feet of Jesus that evey knee will bow and every tongues taught of God ,will confess that Jesus is Lord or the feet of the Holy Spirit or the feet of our heavenly Father? The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.Psalms 110:1
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Jun 13 08 7:46 AM
Whoa. What's all that? The gospel of Garee? Did you check all that by the scripture? Seems to me you assumed a lot from the some you know.
Jun 13 08 8:16 AM
Jesus may have breathed His very breath into all of us, but that doesn't make us all Jesus. It sounds like you're saying that David and Jesus are one and the same but in different flesh bodies??? If you are, then that can't be true for Jesus is sinless while David was not.
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as My Father hath sent Me, even so send I you. And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. John 20:21-23
Jun 13 08 9:00 AM
Paul you know NOTHING about David, and even less about Jesus. Who are you to lecture us on who Jesus is?
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