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Jun 13 08 3:03 AM
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Yes, the Father submits to the Son and Son submits to the Father by one mutual perfect work of one faith, through One selfsame Spirit of Christ ,of one God.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than His lord; neither He that is sent greater than He that sent Him. John 13:16
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Jun 13 08 7:19 AM
Hi Paul, I prefer to keep Jesus' saying, thank you. Thats a good thing! But the authority of whose "Spirit" and by whose "work of faith"do you keep the sayings of the "Spirit of Christ", since scripture proclaim one Spirit, one faith? Though their are many "saying of Christ" that make up "this book" of His law that emphasise the point of the "selfsame Spirit" ,a good place look at the presence of the goverment of God working together, as one Spirit can be seen I beleive ,by studying ,1 Corintians 12. 3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. In this verse we can see the "Spirit of God" protecting the faith of Christ, using the term the "Holy Spirit" as one work of faith. Is this "Spirit" in that particular reference ,the Spirit of the Father or because scripture does not use the term "Spirit of the Father", the Father has no Spirit and therfore has no authority??? The reference to the selfsame Spirit by the term Holy Spirit at the end of the verse speaks of the mutual work of faith working together as one God as in the beginning ,unless you feel that the Holy Spirit is just a force and not a person who can be lied to. The presence of an order of authority does not mean the superiority of the Father as some chose as their bias, to separate the inseparable .Neither does it mean inferiority of the Son or the Holy Spirit whom in mutual submision make up the goverment of God,with regards to their persons, for all are equally God. It is the position not the person which is in view when ever we see these hundreds of dialogs between the Father , Son and the Holy Spirit ,what we witness is the perfect harmonious government of God working through one mutual faith.
I prefer to keep Jesus' saying, thank you.
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Jun 13 08 7:33 AM
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Jun 13 08 5:40 PM
Paul have you studied to show yourself approved?
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Luke 13:28
Jun 13 08 6:10 PM
I prefer to keep Jesus' saying, thank you. Thats a good thing! But
the authority of whose "Spirit" and by whose "work of faith"do you keep the sayings of the "Spirit of Christ", since scripture proclaim one Spirit, one faith?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death. John 8:51
Jun 14 08 3:46 AM
See how Garee here said he says "but" to Jesus' command to keep His saying.
The but.. was directed at you brother. You said you would rather keep the commandments of Jesus in regard to an opinion I had given you,which was in regards to a view of the number of Spirits they make up the, one God ,of scripture.
My opinion cannot be a commandment.
Then Garee give us his excuse, why he keeps the words he keeps.
I was hoping that it would of sounded more like a defense for the faith of Christ ,that I believe dwells in me . What made it sound like an excuse,was it because I asked you by the authority of whose Spirit?
And these are Garee's own words too. Or the spirit he follows.
They are my words, sharing my opinions regarding the words that are written, in my Bible. That's all we got, unless you are suggesting we follow after man as the mediator of absolute truth and not after the faith of Christ, as it is written ,as the foundation of our living God, Christ Jesus.
So Garee doesn't keep Jesus' saying, because Garee said so.
What does the phase, "keep the saying of Jesus" mean to you, since if we were to break one of least of the commandments of the Spirit of Christ's sayings, we have broken all?
Some high sounding thing about authority and spirit and faith and stuff, and scripture backs him up, of course, but he doesn't show that verse, because it cannot be found.
Could you be more specific on what you do not agree with, the four hardest years of my life was third grade.?
Does it have something to do with what I said in regard to ,God and the Father as having one Spirit or are you saying that God is not the Father, as the Spirit of Christ is not the Holy Spirit??
James uses the Words of the phrase.. "God and the Father", to establish Himself as our Spiritual Father as giving us birth through the seed of His living word.
Does the phase ..God and the Father, consist of more than one God ,or more than one Father, of Lights
27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
He can get a bunch of verses, and arrange them, and say, therefore I was true
He can speak a whole bunch of words, reasons and logic and all his own sayings.
As can you.
But that still won't make what Garee here said, a true reason why we should not keep Jesus' words, exactly as Jesus said them.
You're putting words into your own mouth, when you compare yourself by yourself as we all do brother but Christ, our living God ,says that is not wise, coming from a wisdom that comes from an above, perspective.
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Without leaven, that is leaving bits off, or adding bits on, and explanations why it really means <insert the saying you keep>.
Without leaven?
One saying of St Paul, and a whole bunch of his own words, was all Garee needed to deny Jesus. And yes, he was denying Jesus.
The Bible has "sayings of Christ", the sole author and finisher of my faith.Faith no more comes by hearing Paul, anymore than does it come by hearing you or I.
Denying Christ ,would be to deny He is our living God, the Alfa and Omega and by His authority/name alone ,every knee will bow and tongue confess, He is the one Lord, to the glory of one God, by one Spirit.. the Spirit of Christ, also referred to as the Holy Spirit (not another Spirit)
I simply expressed a commandment of His, and Garee was compelled to give us his excuse, why he doesn't follow it, and his reasons, why he believes he does.
I said no such thing, to give an excuse would be to be ashamed of the gospel of Christ's , the power/authority of God and say their mutual work of faith ,are not of one authority, as the result of "one mutual" work of faith working together in perfect harmony ,bringing the peace of God which surpasses all understanding as the gift, or reward of grace.
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
I gave an answer for the hope that lives with in me, the reason why I beleive Him, prayerfully, not perfectly, nothing more and nothing less.
Are you saying there is no government in the workings, of the affairs of our Almighty God, just in the church?
And this commandment has a reward you do not want to miss
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death
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Amen! Of course that does mean the second death.
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Jun 14 08 3:47 AM
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O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fire of hell,lead all souls to heaven, especially those who are in most need of Thy mercy.~ Fatima Prayer
Jun 14 08 7:10 AM
Jun 14 08 7:38 AM
He keeps his own sayings
Jun 14 08 7:57 PM
The but.. was directed at you brother.
Yes. You were speaking to me. But your but, was in regard to what I said, wasn't it?
You said you would rather keep the commandments of Jesus in regard to an opinion I had given you,
And here you confess it was. But... you would rather keep your opinion, than what Jesus said.
which was in regards to a view of the number of Spirits they make up the, one God ,of scripture.
And here is an extension of your opinion.
Seeing all truth, is God's absolute truth and man is not the Alfa and Omega, no matter how pious he pretends to be. For only God seeks the approval of God ,by the commandment of God and has the authority to illuminate man's heart, giving man the hearig of faith ,that man can be yoked with Christ ,making it seem easy ,not be, to grevios to obey.
He can speak a whole bunch of words, reasons and logic and all his own sayings. As can you.
My Lord Jesus never said that, so I don't keep those sayings. Jesus said, you can search the scriptures, and in them you think you will find the Life, and they do testify of the Life, but also, that you won't go to Him.
Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it; Deuteronomy 11:8 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14
Jun 14 08 8:42 PM
According to Catholic faith ,what does it mean to keep the saying of Christ?
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