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Nov 3 09 3:36 PM
Hi Jim,
See, I don't need to pit that verse against other things He says in the text.
Things like the summary of the parable eat flesh, drink blood which as soon as the summary was given, cued by the word "therefore", the disciples that the Father was not drawing through the hearing of the faith of Christ , walked away as evidence to the summary, which in the end of the matter, verse 65 the key verse, explains the whole John six discourse in a mere 21 spiritual words.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
The proper hermeneutics is to compare the spiritual to the spiritual. Pitting against the spiritual words of Christ by a private revelation is not according to the law of hermeneutics found in the Bible.
That practice was formed through the oral tradition of men who hold to another authority other than as it is written, according to the same Spirit of Christ, who wrote it.
The Hebrew understanding of the term "the flesh" is "the carnal mind", as opposed to the mind led by The Spirit.
If that was the context you might try that, But actually the Hebrew understanding of the "carnal mind" is to use the words "carnal mind" which if that is what the Spirit meant He would say "carnal mind", but He didn't. He was referring to His flesh and His blood that when it was poured out returned back to the dust from where it was taken. The tokens used in that parable pointed to the Lord death, as a dead body, with no spirit life .
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Nov 3 09 5:05 PM
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Nov 3 09 7:50 PM
garee wrote: Hi Jim, See, I don't need to pit that verse against other things He says in the text. Things like the summary of the parable eat flesh, drink blood which as soon as the summary was given, cued by the word "therefore", the disciples that the Father was not drawing through the hearing of the faith of Christ , walked away as evidence to the summary, which in the end of the matter, verse 65 the key verse, explains the whole John six discourse in a mere 21 spiritual words. Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. The proper hermeneutics is to compare the spiritual to the spiritual. Pitting against the spiritual words of Christ by a private revelation is not according to the law of hermeneutics found in the Bible. That practice was formed through the oral tradition of men who hold to another authority other than as it is written, according to the same Spirit of Christ, who wrote it. The Hebrew understanding of the term "the flesh" is "the carnal mind", as opposed to the mind led by The Spirit. If that was the context you might try that, But actually the Hebrew understanding of the "carnal mind" is to use the words "carnal mind" which if that is what the Spirit meant He would say "carnal mind", but He didn't. He was referring to His flesh and His blood that when it was poured out returned back to the dust from where it was taken. The tokens used in that parable pointed to the Lord death, as a dead body, with no spirit life .
Nov 3 09 7:53 PM
Loose Nut wrote: garee His mind has been washed by Roman Catholicism, so he only understands what they say, not what Jesus said! If what Jesus said is plain enough for an idiot, he should understand it! Loose Nut
Nov 3 09 8:50 PM
His mind has been washed by Roman Catholicism, so he only understands what they say, not what Jesus said!
It does seem that way, the particular "it" that makes up the whole deposit of Catholic faith, to include the private revelations that come by an oral tradition, after the commandment of men, forces them to believe the church and their sect in particular as the high place with a widened authority…… higher than the word of God, as "it" is written.
In the end of the matter the "it", of Catholic faith, widens the authority of the word of God and thus reduces "it", as "it" is written, to a mere theory through the philosophies of men that ultimately compare themselves by themselves and not by the word of the law of God, written in the book of the law, the Bible alone.
But idols and philosophy go hand and hand, where ever you find philosophy as an established way of coming to truth, you will find the idols right along side of "it" to support "it"
Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.
The walls of the Vatican are lined with such idols, their ominous presence towers over the whole city, they have eyes that cannot see and just like every one that bows down to them, they will be like them.
To these certain men that ruled over the faith of the members of this city through certain philosophers, through their strange gods, to them the God of heaven looked strange to them, because by it did not lead men to the same conclusion of these philosophers who sat around all day discussing the newest private revelations, that came by their unspiritual fleshly puffed up carnal minds.
Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.
Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. Act 17:16
But when the Spirit of Christ takes away the philosophy of men, that takes away the understanding of God, He also takes away the vain deceit of idols that come as a result of the philosophy.
Men must turn from their idols and vain philosophies to the living God, not turn to idols, as their living God
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col 2:8
Nov 4 09 12:03 PM
460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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Nov 4 09 1:16 PM
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Nov 4 09 1:25 PM
fundamentalists don not have the capacity to begin to understand that, even though it is written in the Scriptures!!!
.. and because of that will find themselves standing alone crying out Lord Lord only to to hear, "I never knew you"
Nov 4 09 1:33 PM
Nov 4 09 1:58 PM
You don't even have the capacity to understand that Jesus is God, Emmanuel, and that He has a virgin mother .. you can't even grasp this!!!
Nov 4 09 2:20 PM
Nov 4 09 5:33 PM
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
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