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Nov 15 09 5:54 PM
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Nov 15 09 9:25 PM
Catholic sprout
GHSTHA wrote: Elizabeth was ruthless.
The crimes against Catholics under Henry VIII also get glossed over.
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Nov 16 09 3:43 AM
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camabeach wrote: Another think that doesn't get talked about much in American history are the brave missionairies to the Native Americans, who contacted natives and explored this country sooner than almost anybody else. Last year I read a fasciating book about Fr. Peter de Smet, missionary to the Native Americans of the west. He fought hard most of his life to help them and protect them as much as he could from exploitation. He converted many natives in the Idaho, Montana, and other mountainous regions of the west. Then there are the brave Jesuit missionaries of the Great Lakes region, and all the hundreds of unsung heroes who did what they could to spread the gospel.
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Nov 16 09 7:55 PM
So, Garee, where do you think the inspiration came from these past 2000+ years for all the new inventions mankind has made? Are they not new revelations given to man by God?
So, Garee, where do you think the inspiration came from these past 2000+ years for all the new inventions mankind has made?
Are they not new revelations given to man by God?
Big difference between God breathed and an innovation that comes from the mind of men . God has been silent as far as new revelations which make up the whole deposit of faith, that work of Christ's faith ended with His last prophet, John on the island of Patmos..
I believe when we are referring to the word of God we are looking beyond what the eye can see and the heart of natural man can invent.
In the book of Job the Spirit of Christ reveals that He hides Himself from one and to another makes Himself know by inspiration, as a work He performs. Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?
Jason, can you find God by searching for a signs and wonders gospel?
Innovation by which new inventions come does not constitute a direct inspiration of God; the ways of man do not necessarily constitute the ways of God.
I just don't understand why you put God in a box like you do.
Yet you do understand the wider box with no barriers that you must put Him in?
Although we can't put God in a box, even He Himself is under the authority of His law found written in His law book, which you call a box.
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.Psa 138:2
I believe it is on less to the glory of God to conceal a matter as it is for Him to reveal a matter. What can be known about God in all its entirety, is found in His law book you can invent other ways but hey in the end of the matter have no authority as, God breathed.
Though the heavens declare His glory, they speak not a word of His love and therefore how, when and if He is working in the affairs of men, either hardening their hearts or making their hearts soft that we can seek Him, which for us without His perfect word would be beyond searching out.
Yes, the Canon of Scripture was closed with Revelation because the Church said it was closed......but that doesn't mean God has been silent these past 2000 years.
God stopped brining new revelation because He finished His book of the law. Remember our living God, the pillar and foundation of absolute truth is not served by human hands. The Church can no more close a revealtion from God than could they author it.
The idea that the Church said…. enough with those new revelations, from now on its oral tradition through private revelation is absolutely absurd.
He speaks, Garee, if you will only be silent long enough to listen!!! Your head must be like a bee's hive with all the data you have spinning around inside it.
All what data?
He speaks through His revelations found in His law book as the whole deposit of His work of faith. To have the faith of Christ in respect to a private revelation, is to give the father of lies a platform where he can bring his false prophecy…saying thus sayeth the Lord, Lo is Christ.
Scripture teaches us to "believe not" in that kind of gospel because along with those private new revelations, the Spirit of Christ sends a strong delusion that would confirm unbelief.
The elect will not be deceived in that way, they will obey the commandment because it is not grievous to believe not when commanded to and be given the faith to wait for the promise, when every eye will see Him and not just the private eye of private new revelations saying, thus sayeth the Lord, when we know the Lord is no longer bringing new revelations of any kind, save through the illuminating power of the word of God, found only in the complete perfect law book of God.
That God did not directly inspire the writers of the Bible. The texts are not inerrant, but were written by authors with a "high degree of religious insight." 3 They were inspired in the same way that great artists and musicians have been considered inspired.
That's working for you, where would you find that criterion in the word of God?
I find just the opposite; I find one inerrant author and finisher of our faith (not of ourselves) who finished all the work He was sent to do.
Although the inerrant word of God has many witnesses regarding the fact of its inerrancy, as to His word and not the word of men who follow men as a higher authority. The book of Jeremiah solidifies any possibility of the idea of men using philosophy of men who think highly of themselves as quote:…"a high degree of religious insight" as them who were inspired in the same way that great artists and musicians have been considered inspired.
I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.Jer 23
High degree of religious insight.?
How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;Jer 23
High degree of religious insight? Which think to cause my people to forget my name (authority) by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers(EFC's) have forgotten my name (authority) for Baal.Jer 23
High degree of religious insight? The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.Jer 23
"Word of God" or "High degree of religious insight"?
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.Jer 23
High degree of religious insight?
Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
High degree of religious insight? Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: Jer 23
High degree of religious insight? therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house.Jer 23
Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken?And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and, What hath the LORD spoken?
But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD;Jer 23
Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers(EFC's), and cast you out of my presence:Jer 23 High degree of religious insight?
And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten. Jer 23:22
According to the High degree of religious insight, how long is everlasting? Where does the quote:…"a high degree of religious insight " fit into the description of the God's breathed inspiration in the verses above?
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Nov 17 09 3:27 AM
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To have the faith of Christ in respect to a private revelation, is to give the father of lies a platform where he can bring his false prophecy…saying thus sayeth the Lord, Lo is Christ.
Nov 17 09 4:18 AM
Where would you be today if St. Paul had believed as you do?
St Paul understood what the "hearing of faith" meant and realized it had nothing to do with philosophies of men with a High degree of religious insight as coming from ECF theology as his former life amongst the Pharisees with Sadducees sects guided him.
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Gal 3:1
St Paul knew what it was to be bewitched and fall under a Queen of heaven form of government, which was handed down through ECF theology as work of a law, after the commandments of men.
St Paul understood what the gospel was and How the Spirit of Christ inspired men to hear Him, as a work the Spirit alone performs in the heart of man, which was not after any man or what you refer to as a..High degree of religious insight as coming from ECF theology, after men and not after the Spirit of Christ as it teaches us and comforts us.
St Paul knew that the grace of God did not come from inanimate objects which can only cause one to fall from the grace of God seeing inanimate objects have no spirit life to give the reward of grace by.
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal 1:6
Nov 17 09 4:30 AM
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Nov 17 09 5:13 AM
BTW, Garee, in light of you needing nothing but the WORD, maybe you can explain why the Lord sent St. Paul to open the people's eyes when they had the WORD?
If Paul was the Spirit of Christ (God), that might be possible, but it is never flesh and blood that can open the eyes of one who is born spiritually blind, no matter how much of High degree of religious insight you want to atribute to them.Remember the church has an authority in these bodies of clay but it is not of us, never was never will be. That's another gospel, another story coming from one which we do not receive by the faith of Christ, but would be after men, who venerate men. 1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
Nov 17 09 5:17 AM
Nov 17 09 9:52 AM
Now, you are so bold to contradict the very Word you hold in such high esteem? Was it not the Lord who told Paul the reason He appeard to him - "To open their eyes"????
Nov 17 09 12:06 PM
Nov 17 09 7:48 PM
Garee, are you denying that Jesus told Paul that He was sending him to the Gentiles TO OPEN THEIR EYES......... "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me." ~ Acts 26:16-18
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Nov 19 09 8:33 AM
Did St. Paul have the faith of Christ in respect to a private revelation?????
No, the Labor of Christ's love was not in respect to a private revelation as one loosed from earth, which can only provide an private interpretation, which come with a strong delusion making it possible to believe the lie that God is not silent and that His will is not sealed up until the end of time, when every eye will see Him and say Lo is Christ, He has come again just as He promised.
And....if all we needed was the Word and NO man to teach us, then for what reason would Jesus have sent out a man, Paul, to OPEN THEIR EYES?
Since only God can create in us a new heart as the eyes of our heart, and Paul of himself could not even open his own eyes, explain how a mere man could open the eyes of another. Does the faith to believe God come from Paul in any manner, can we attribute to Paul what the Lord does to him, or is it a work of God alone that we can believe God and that work of faith is not after any creature ,neither after Paul or after Balaam's' donkey,or a handkerchief, hank of bone that has no spirit life to give.?
That criterion has not changed, we are not to have the faith of Christ as the work of the Spirit of Christ in respect to any person or after any rudiment of this world.
Paul has no authority to open the eyes of a heart, as one circumcised by faith, If he could not open is own eyes, surely the idea of him having the authority to open the eyes of the heart
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
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Nov 19 09 11:31 AM
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Nov 20 09 4:08 AM
Saint YAN wrote: More like history has been painted with Roman Catholicism than the other way around.
Nov 20 09 4:51 AM
Nov 20 09 10:31 AM
Garee, do you enjoy being a total idiot? Paul of himself had NO authority and NO power. It was JESUS Who gave Him the authority and the power! DUH!!!
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Nov 20 09 11:32 AM
a strong delusion making it possible to believe the lie that God is not silent and that His will is not sealed up until the end of time, when every eye will see Him and say Lo is Christ, He has come again just as He promised.
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